AOL update
10-26-2013, 10:23 AM
#1591
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"I firmly believe that at the end of the day should the merger fall thru which I don't believe it will the company is going to need the answer to the arbitration definition. LCC will not be able to continue along the path its going and they know it. The two separate companies operating under one banner has run its course and is no longer viable. How long before ****ed off pilots start really disrupting the system here causing problems? "
WD at AWA
I agree. No sane person would apply for the job and lots of folks already here would be better off leaving if the merger does not go through. Most likely Parker has squeezed as much as he can out of the situation. It's just math. He has kept every one at bankruptcy wages so long that even if he comes to the table with a decent offer the old guys will be gone soon enough- it won't cost him that much. Five years from now the company will look totally different. He is going to need pilots. But for now we can hope that the merger goes through.
WD at AWA
I agree. No sane person would apply for the job and lots of folks already here would be better off leaving if the merger does not go through. Most likely Parker has squeezed as much as he can out of the situation. It's just math. He has kept every one at bankruptcy wages so long that even if he comes to the table with a decent offer the old guys will be gone soon enough- it won't cost him that much. Five years from now the company will look totally different. He is going to need pilots. But for now we can hope that the merger goes through.
10-26-2013, 11:48 AM
#1594
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Well its a double deal CB! Parker would be totally unable to do it without the help of the east. If the Merger fails and I don't think it will but if it does people will jump ship here in rapid fashion. Delta has hiring plans and I don't remember the number but its large and runs for the foreseeable future. We had a Delta pilot with us yesterday that is on his last month in the career and the hiring numbers he gave were astonishing. I can see 10-15 yr guys jumping off the usair nightmare and going over to Delta with plenty of time to recover losses and God knows their pilots are smart and honorable and that equals $$$ for pilots.
WD at AWA
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10-26-2013, 02:51 PM
#1595
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Well its a double deal CB! Parker would be totally unable to do it without the help of the east. If the Merger fails and I don't think it will but if it does people will jump ship here in rapid fashion. Delta has hiring plans and I don't remember the number but its large and runs for the foreseeable future. We had a Delta pilot with us yesterday that is on his last month in the career and the hiring numbers he gave were astonishing. I can see 10-15 yr guys jumping off the usair nightmare and going over to Delta with plenty of time to recover losses and God knows their pilots are smart and honorable and that equals $$$ for pilots.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
10-26-2013, 03:44 PM
#1597
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WD, I agree with your comments on my posts. I was just making some observations on what I read in the transcripts. One thing that I got was that Judge Silver was very focused on what she wanted from both sides. And on the cross by the AOL lawyers they allowed the east witnesses to ramble on, while the east lawyers cut off the west witnesses a lot and objected to their testimony as argumentative. It appears that Syzmanski did not want very many explanatory statements by the west witnesses.
Most of the east testimony was centered on the reason for forming USAPA and seniority methodology. Judge Silver is not interested in that. The history of USAPA was covered under Judge Wake. And the seniority integration will be handled by the arbitrators. She is ruling on the DFR aspects of refusing to use the Nicolau and whether the MOU provisions voided the TA. Whether USAPA has a LUP. She already ruled on ripeness, now she is ruling on the DFR.
Most of the east testimony was centered on the reason for forming USAPA and seniority methodology. Judge Silver is not interested in that. The history of USAPA was covered under Judge Wake. And the seniority integration will be handled by the arbitrators. She is ruling on the DFR aspects of refusing to use the Nicolau and whether the MOU provisions voided the TA. Whether USAPA has a LUP. She already ruled on ripeness, now she is ruling on the DFR.
10-26-2013, 04:24 PM
#1598
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WD, I agree with your comments on my posts. I was just making some observations on what I read in the transcripts. One thing that I got was that Judge Silver was very focused on what she wanted from both sides. And on the cross by the AOL lawyers they allowed the east witnesses to ramble on, while the east lawyers cut off the west witnesses a lot and objected to their testimony as argumentative. It appears that Syzmanski did not want very many explanatory statements by the west witnesses.
Did she sustain or overrule the objection? Its argumentative if the question asked does not really seek information but rather tries to argue the truthfulness of the witness.
Most of the east testimony was centered on the reason for forming USAPA and seniority methodology. Judge Silver is not interested in that. The history of USAPA was covered under Judge Wake. And the seniority integration will be handled by the arbitrators. She is ruling on the DFR aspects of refusing to use the Nicolau and whether the MOU provisions voided the TA. Whether USAPA has a LUP. She already ruled on ripeness, now she is ruling on the DFR.
Did she sustain or overrule the objection? Its argumentative if the question asked does not really seek information but rather tries to argue the truthfulness of the witness.
Most of the east testimony was centered on the reason for forming USAPA and seniority methodology. Judge Silver is not interested in that. The history of USAPA was covered under Judge Wake. And the seniority integration will be handled by the arbitrators. She is ruling on the DFR aspects of refusing to use the Nicolau and whether the MOU provisions voided the TA. Whether USAPA has a LUP. She already ruled on ripeness, now she is ruling on the DFR.
WD at AWA
10-26-2013, 04:41 PM
#1599
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The question I think is whether that binding arbitration is still binding. USAPA says no because they formed a union to disregard the ALPA seniority integration. We say yes because we have a transition agreement, an arbitrated seniority list accepted by the company and, now, ripeness. But then the question comes up if our TA was supplanted by the MOU without the requirement to use the Nic. These are the questions Judge Silver will be ruling on.
10-26-2013, 04:53 PM
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The question I think is whether that binding arbitration is still binding. USAPA says no because they formed a union to disregard the ALPA seniority integration. We say yes because we have a transition agreement, an arbitrated seniority list accepted by the company and, now, ripeness. But then the question comes up if our TA was supplanted by the MOU without the requirement to use the Nic. These are the questions Judge Silver will be ruling on.
Next, a document designed to hide its intent of terminating a groups rights is on its face unlawful and if this is usapa's argument why then are the AOL attorneys not pressing this issue. Its a document that 3 parties had a hand in LCC, USAPA and APA. If this document does what usapa says it does then fraud has taken place.
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