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10-17-2013, 05:01 AM
#1461
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This whole mess is just like the government shutdown-it's become about who is right instead of what is right, with the middle lost in the shuffle. Driven by those like cacti on one side and a certain former CLT rep on the other.
The MOU gives us a chance to throw out BOTH failed sides and try something new.
I personally think that the advantages of the merger will help solve things, no matter what happens in the SLI.
I can be friends with(just about)anyone!
The MOU gives us a chance to throw out BOTH failed sides and try something new.
I personally think that the advantages of the merger will help solve things, no matter what happens in the SLI.
I can be friends with(just about)anyone!
WD at AWA
10-17-2013, 09:28 AM
#1462
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I disagree because the group won't want relatively junior pilots being slotted above them.
Do you have some other source or logic to counter?
10-17-2013, 11:01 AM
#1463
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I agree with you about what the company says. They say it's ripe, it should be decided and you should have your own representation at MB. They don't say you should get to start with the Nic.
I've read elsewhere where one of your guys believes you will get your own representation, get the arbitration panel to punish the east and give you a better award and a gazillion dollars in damages. Everyone can dream.
We all agreed under the MOU to start over. No DOH, no Nic.
10-17-2013, 11:04 AM
#1464
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you think the AA pilots want to determine which usairways pilots list is presented? Typical eastie.
So it's just your opinion? Why don't you show me what the apa official position is on the usairways list? That ridiculous enough for you?
I disagree because the group won't want relatively junior pilots being slotted above them.
Do you have some other source or logic to counter?
Do you have some other source or logic to counter?
10-17-2013, 12:40 PM
#1465
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you think the AA pilots want to determine which usairways pilots list is presented? Typical eastie.
So it's just your opinion? Why don't you show me what the apa official position is on the usairways list? That ridiculous enough for you?
I disagree because the group won't want relatively junior pilots being slotted above them.
Do you have some other source or logic to counter?
Do you have some other source or logic to counter?
Secondly, it is my opinion that people respond to incentives and APA has every incentive to avoid the Nicolai award! This is common sense, but I'm asking for you to offer some form if logic to prove otherwise. Quips do not count as logic.
So yes, I believe that APA, if it can find a way, may exploit every opportunity to avoid seeing the Nicolai award implemented. APA strikes me as a particularly strong union more than capable of back door dealings.
There is no official APA position on Nicolai because this is a cloak and dagger subject. USAPA's president even claims not to have any working knowledge on the situation. We do know that APA has ignored AOL's attempts to solicit Nicolai support from APA. I think this fact is very telling.
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10-17-2013, 01:06 PM
#1466
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No you WANT the mou to give you a second bite at the apple but I dont see that happening unless you pay us and the price for that is deeper than the new AA's pockets. Quit fighting it and just honor your obligations like men and stop acting like low life scabs.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
That's just what you voted for, a second bite at the apple. Maybe you should have actually read the MOU instead of trusting pilot-lawyers trying to scam the system.
Quit fighting and live up to your MOU obligations-if the merger goes through. If not, we can go back to the TA fight.
10-17-2013, 01:08 PM
#1467
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a senior east pilot? Btw it wouldn't matter, the TA gives the airline up to one year to implement the list after a contract is implemented
really? Show me where they said we don't get to start with the Nic?
who was this guy? A leonidas rep, our attorney ? No of course not. I will tell that my dream is you get punished but that's all it is, a dream.
No we did not, that is a lie. We never agreed to give up the Nic and we have usapa's assurances in writing that the mou did not do away with the Nic, it was neutral.
really? Show me where they said we don't get to start with the Nic?
who was this guy? A leonidas rep, our attorney ? No of course not. I will tell that my dream is you get punished but that's all it is, a dream.
No we did not, that is a lie. We never agreed to give up the Nic and we have usapa's assurances in writing that the mou did not do away with the Nic, it was neutral.
Yes, Captain is a senior manager at US Airways. Or, high level if that suits you better. I know how the word "seniority" causes you to see visions.
10-17-2013, 02:09 PM
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"no west pilot should vote for the MOU believing it will implement the Nicolau award" or something like that. Clear as it can be.
Yes, Captain is a senior manager at US Airways. Or, high level if that suits you better. I know how the word "seniority" causes you to see visions.
Yes, Captain is a senior manager at US Airways. Or, high level if that suits you better. I know how the word "seniority" causes you to see visions.
During the vote on the MOU, USAPA repeatedly assured all its members that the vote
12 would have no bearing on adoption of the Nicolau Award. In USAPA’s own words, “no East
13 pilot should vote against the MOU because they fear that ratifying the MOU will implement
14 the Nicolau Award, and no West pilot should vote for the MOU because they believe the
15 MOU will implement the Nicolau Award.” (Doc. 136). In light of this and similar
16 statements during the ratification vote, USAPA’s current position that the vote was a clear
17 statement by the majority of the West Pilots that they are no longer interested in pursuing the
18 Nicolau Award is very close to frivolous.
12 would have no bearing on adoption of the Nicolau Award. In USAPA’s own words, “no East
13 pilot should vote against the MOU because they fear that ratifying the MOU will implement
14 the Nicolau Award, and no West pilot should vote for the MOU because they believe the
15 MOU will implement the Nicolau Award.” (Doc. 136). In light of this and similar
16 statements during the ratification vote, USAPA’s current position that the vote was a clear
17 statement by the majority of the West Pilots that they are no longer interested in pursuing the
18 Nicolau Award is very close to frivolous.
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10-17-2013, 02:23 PM
#1469
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Firstly cactiboss, I am not an East pilot.
Secondly, it is my opinion that people respond to incentives and APA has every incentive to avoid the Nicolai award! This is common sense, but I'm asking for you to offer some form if logic to prove otherwise. Quips do not count as logic.
So yes, I believe that APA, if it can find a way, may exploit every opportunity to avoid seeing the Nicolai award implemented. APA strikes me as a particularly strong union more than capable of back door dealings.
There is no official APA position on Nicolai because this is a cloak and dagger subject. USAPA's president even claims not to have any working knowledge on the situation. We do know that APA has ignored AOL's attempts to solicit Nicolai support from APA. I think this fact is very telling.
Sent from my glowing rectangle.
Secondly, it is my opinion that people respond to incentives and APA has every incentive to avoid the Nicolai award! This is common sense, but I'm asking for you to offer some form if logic to prove otherwise. Quips do not count as logic.
So yes, I believe that APA, if it can find a way, may exploit every opportunity to avoid seeing the Nicolai award implemented. APA strikes me as a particularly strong union more than capable of back door dealings.
There is no official APA position on Nicolai because this is a cloak and dagger subject. USAPA's president even claims not to have any working knowledge on the situation. We do know that APA has ignored AOL's attempts to solicit Nicolai support from APA. I think this fact is very telling.
Sent from my glowing rectangle.
10-17-2013, 02:26 PM
#1470
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Position: A320 Capt
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“no East pilot should vote against the MOU because they fear that ratifying the MOU will implement
the Nicolau Award,"
"and no West pilot should vote for the MOU because they believe the
MOU will implement the Nicolau Award.”
How you or Judge Silver can use that as evidence as evidence against USAPA is beyond me. It indicates the Nic will not be used!
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