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07-21-2013, 02:56 PM
#1251
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I meant in the order she describes the situation perfectly, she did the same thing in the company DJ. She does baffle me because at the hearing she seemed completely off the reservation and yet in the order she writes as if understanding what is going on. I was shocked she didn't throw out the case because of the 9th's"bad ruling" she felt constrained by.
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07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
#1252
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That's funny. Who is &^%% stuff up?
A leading member of AOL helped negotiate the MOU. Their attorneys probably helped him craft it. You were all told that it didn't include the Nic, yet you voted 97% for it, only to turn around and claim that it was illegal because it didn't include the Nic. Isn't that exactly what you have been claiming the east did with the Nic, we back on what was agreed upon?
Integrity in action, again.
A leading member of AOL helped negotiate the MOU. Their attorneys probably helped him craft it. You were all told that it didn't include the Nic, yet you voted 97% for it, only to turn around and claim that it was illegal because it didn't include the Nic. Isn't that exactly what you have been claiming the east did with the Nic, we back on what was agreed upon?
Integrity in action, again.
MR. SZYMANSKI: So, Your Honor, first of all, I think -- I thought that it was clear when we argued about the declaratory judgment action that USAPA's position was that the Nicolau Award was not its obligation and it did not plan to go ahead and propose the Nicolau Award or follow the Nicolau Award.
THE COURT: You said that, I believe --
MR. SZYMANSKI: Transcript from the argument?
THE COURT: Yes. You're prepared to talk. We want
to talk and we will want genuine engagement with the West Pilots about the seniority proposal and we are proposed to make changes. No changes.
MR. SZYMANSKI: Changes in the date-of-hire proposal, not changes in the Nicolau proposal.
THE COURT: Well, you never said that. If you had said that in open Court, then we would have had a hearing at that time because the issue was what I made quite clear is that you had to go forward. USAPA had to go forward and with an open mind and that the Nicolau Award was not irrelevant. It was to be considered.

THE COURT: You said that, I believe --
MR. SZYMANSKI: Transcript from the argument?
THE COURT: Yes. You're prepared to talk. We want
to talk and we will want genuine engagement with the West Pilots about the seniority proposal and we are proposed to make changes. No changes.
MR. SZYMANSKI: Changes in the date-of-hire proposal, not changes in the Nicolau proposal.
THE COURT: Well, you never said that. If you had said that in open Court, then we would have had a hearing at that time because the issue was what I made quite clear is that you had to go forward. USAPA had to go forward and with an open mind and that the Nicolau Award was not irrelevant. It was to be considered.

07-21-2013, 03:48 PM
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I find it outrageous that usapa keeps promising it has to be doh and none of the judges believes them. The exchange I posted above is prove positive of that, at some point someone has to take them at their word.
07-21-2013, 03:51 PM
#1254
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We were told it was seniority neutral, then usapa said it was doh in writing after the fact. Usapa being the dirt back outfit it always has been. Her's a little exchange ****mansky at the last hearing:
Surprise the dirt back union lied to the court. Usapa's only tactic is to lie and distort, yet knowing this the 9th lrt them continue to harm all usairways pilots.
Surprise the dirt back union lied to the court. Usapa's only tactic is to lie and distort, yet knowing this the 9th lrt them continue to harm all usairways pilots.
07-21-2013, 04:07 PM
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07-21-2013, 04:45 PM
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That you intentionally voted for a document for a reason other than what it called for. That you were being deceptive. If you thought the MOU should have called for the use of the Nicolau award, you should have demanded it and if not given it, voted no. Instead you intentionally set up the MOU as it was, in order to make the case ripe, so that you could then sue again.
07-21-2013, 05:48 PM
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That you intentionally voted for a document for a reason other than what it called for. That you were being deceptive. If you thought the MOU should have called for the use of the Nicolau award, you should have demanded it and if not given it, voted no. Instead you intentionally set up the MOU as it was, in order to make the case ripe, so that you could then sue again.
Relay in all honesty we are sick to death of the east, PERIOD! Most dislike even being in the same hotel vans with you and we often tell the drivers to send another van. A hip pocket card carrying member of the worst thing to hit aviation since Frank Lorenzo has the audacity to come on here and call foul. GTF outta here with the horse$hit Relay
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07-21-2013, 06:14 PM
#1259
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Hmmmmmm I'm not really sure as to where to go with that. On the one hand you accuse the west of being deceptive. Then you further state that the west in some way should have demanded that usapa actually BEHAVE AS A REAL UNION and add this request? Usapa has now since its EAST ONLY PILOTS elected as the agent has proceeded to do everything in its power short of having west pilots murdered to bring harm to all our careers. Since 2008 the west pilots have been without real representation. Usapa has lied in court, they have tried to have west pilots fired, they have rigged and overturned elections and you have the stones to say the west was being deceptive??
Relay in all honesty we are sick to death of the east, PERIOD! Most dislike even being in the same hotel vans with you and we often tell the drivers to send another van. A hip pocket card carrying member of the worst thing to hit aviation since Frank Lorenzo has the audacity to come on here and call foul. GTF outta here with the horse$hit Relay
WD at AWA
Relay in all honesty we are sick to death of the east, PERIOD! Most dislike even being in the same hotel vans with you and we often tell the drivers to send another van. A hip pocket card carrying member of the worst thing to hit aviation since Frank Lorenzo has the audacity to come on here and call foul. GTF outta here with the horse$hit Relay
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07-21-2013, 06:25 PM
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That you intentionally voted for a document for a reason other than what it called for. That you were being deceptive. If you thought the MOU should have called for the use of the Nicolau award, you should have demanded it and if not given it, voted no. Instead you intentionally set up the MOU as it was, in order to make the case ripe, so that you could then sue again.
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