cactiboss

It's really simple isn't it? Just read the company's DJ appeal and wouldn't you know, everyone agrees on the facts unless they are usapa and their supporters. The east is solely responsible for this, period end of story. They are union busters who couldn't get what they wanted from a neutral, so like a bully they are stealing it.

flybywire44

You can and will blame USAPA all day, but your leadership sought to take advantage of East pilots through their delema and visa versa with East pilots.

A little bit of ill will went a long way and eight years later everyone has gotten sour grapes... The current state of affairs is an ironic situation.

Wiskey Driver

Woo slow your role there my man. Take advantage of east pilots? How so, please quantify that remark???

See I dont care which side your on as it makes little difference in today's environment. What I must take issue with is this attitude of yours that we in the west some how are to blame. See like I said before where you have failed or refused to answer. The west has done nothing OTHER than try and get to east to honor their agreements and the ruling of an arbitrator. We are here today as a direct result of the east's actions nothing more.

Now you make this claim that the west some how has taken advantage of the east? REALLY?? The east was represented by their MEC and an outstanding merger atty in Mr. Katz. The mec and Mr. Katz both had their hands tied by the RC4 and the unrelenting push for DOH even when faced with certain failure. So if anyone has taken advantage of anybody its the east taking advantage of themselves.

WD at AWA

flybywire44

My previous posts were refeing to the situation as a whole—the ill will here goes way before Nicolai on both sides.

I only said that "your leadership sought to take advantage of East pilots." I never said that they actually pulled it off. Please apply the definition of the word sought to the sentences where you see me use it.

So, West ALPA leadership sought to take advantage of the East bankruptcy. East ALPA leadership sought the same leverage based on AWA's poor financial condition, retirements, and wide bodies.

Both east and west leadership sought maximum leverage to manipulate the outcome and disenfranchise the other party. Ironic how each side only proved how miserably they had failed both parties.

Okay?

Wiskey Driver

Well not really okay but if you're asking if I understand your perspective the answer here is yes.

In the grand scheme of things both sides had a sort of playbook if you will. The plan was should the east come in with DOH as their starting point, our counter would be none other than staple them to the bottom of our list since they were the ones really being bought out. Now we knew for a fact that each of those positions were not going to fly so in our minds we had room with which to work. The biggest problem was the east and the fact that they simply refused to negotiate any position other than DOH.

The east at no time during this process came off of that position, not even after the arbitrator called for a 30 day cooling off period which had never been done before in an SLI. When the arbitration resumed and he asked if there was any movement in the positions we in the west informed him that we had found room with which to work. The east position was and I will quote Mr. Katz "We have no change in our position from DOH". The case at this point was turned over to the arbitrator for his decision.

Not until after the fact did the east wish to move off their position of DOH. This was purely a slap in all our faces and a move of "since we didnt get what we want we are now willing to offer you in the west long term fences". No sir we will take what we both agreed to in the beginning and that was to abide by what ever the arbitrator decided. The east cried foul but never once during this entire process were they reasonable. We find now simply no reason to move off of our position of having them honor our agreement and the ruling of the arbitrator.

WD at AWA

flybywire44

"Ironic how each side only proved how miserably they had failed both parties.

Okay?"

PurpleTurtle

Is there an AOL update somewhere here or is it just more whining? This is page 124....

Everyone is just using the best legal means at their disposal to get what they want. Big deal. Having a tantrum, calling people scabs, and wearing self-righteous integrity matters T-shirts are all protected under the 1st amendment and I will defend your rights to do so!!

Mox Nix

So when's the next court date or milestone?

I was following this thread for a while to try and stay informed on the process, but I haven't been watching the day-to-day discussion (esp since it seems to continue its circular arguments ad infinitum).

I seem to remember that back in April or May there was a hearing where the judge seemed to have punted. So what's the next step?

Someone please post a quick status update? (without devolving into the usual he-said-she-said... if that's possible).

cactiboss

The Judge ordered settlement discussions and all parties agreed to it with no results, she also ordered briefs on remedy and MB. So the Judge now has all the paper work needed and we all wait on her order, what that is or when is anyone's guess.

Mox Nix

Thanks for the update