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06-03-2013, 06:16 AM
#1171
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I highlighted just that. You had an operating profit of around 13 million that year and a net of 50 something million. But, without the government funds you would have had an operating profit and a net loss.
06-03-2013, 04:40 PM
#1172
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AMR jun 3 filing
"American Airlines, Inc., and its parent company, AMR Corporation (collectively“American”) previously filed an Application for Intervenor status in this litigation. DOCKET NO. 56.
American sought that status in order to highlight the fact that, should Plaintiffs prevail,
equitable relief entered in this case might inadvertently interfere with the obligations and rights of
Defendants US Airways, Inc., and US Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”), as well as those of
American and its pilots’ union, the Allied Pilots Association (“APA”), memorialized in a
Memorandum of Understanding (“MOU”), which was, at the time, pending approval of the
Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York. In particular, American expressed the
concern that equitable relief in this action could interfere with the timetables and processes of the
merger-related seniority integration process.
As explained in American’s Application, the efficiencies and synergies contemplated by
the merger between American and US Airways depend on the four parties to the MOU
commencing and completing the pilot seniority integration process on the strict timetable
bargained for in that Agreement. Those efficiencies and synergies lie at the heart of the proposed
Plan of Reorganization currently pending approval in American’s Chapter 11 case. No party has
opposed American’s Application to Intervene. It is now ripe for decision.
American files this Supplemental Memorandum to advise the Court that on Thursday,
May 30, 2013, the Bankruptcy Court approved the MOU. A copy of the Bankruptcy Court’s
Order is attached hereto as Exhibit A. Although the MOU remains contingent on the
consummation of the merger, it is otherwise a final and enforceable agreement of the parties with
respect to those procedural aspects of the MOU’s seniority process."
American sought that status in order to highlight the fact that, should Plaintiffs prevail,
equitable relief entered in this case might inadvertently interfere with the obligations and rights of
Defendants US Airways, Inc., and US Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”), as well as those of
American and its pilots’ union, the Allied Pilots Association (“APA”), memorialized in a
Memorandum of Understanding (“MOU”), which was, at the time, pending approval of the
Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York. In particular, American expressed the
concern that equitable relief in this action could interfere with the timetables and processes of the
merger-related seniority integration process.
As explained in American’s Application, the efficiencies and synergies contemplated by
the merger between American and US Airways depend on the four parties to the MOU
commencing and completing the pilot seniority integration process on the strict timetable
bargained for in that Agreement. Those efficiencies and synergies lie at the heart of the proposed
Plan of Reorganization currently pending approval in American’s Chapter 11 case. No party has
opposed American’s Application to Intervene. It is now ripe for decision.
American files this Supplemental Memorandum to advise the Court that on Thursday,
May 30, 2013, the Bankruptcy Court approved the MOU. A copy of the Bankruptcy Court’s
Order is attached hereto as Exhibit A. Although the MOU remains contingent on the
consummation of the merger, it is otherwise a final and enforceable agreement of the parties with
respect to those procedural aspects of the MOU’s seniority process."
06-03-2013, 05:49 PM
#1173
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The arbitration has been legally blocked?? Why didn't someone say so I had no idea the courts had blocked the arbitration. Well hell I want read that gotta link or an order from the court that states the arbitration has been legally blocked??? Please post I have got to read that.
"The arbitration was legally blocked from being implemented". I bolded the important part so that even you couldn't miss it. If you still doubt me, then why aren't you exercising your Nic seniority number?
That out of context stuff looks like fun. Let me try:
Carl
06-03-2013, 06:01 PM
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This will be a very interesting study in case law.
Carl
06-03-2013, 07:14 PM
#1175
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That wasn't even a good job of taking someone out of context. This is, of course, what I did say:
"The arbitration was legally blocked from being implemented". I bolded the important part so that even you couldn't miss it. If you still doubt me, then why aren't you exercising your Nic seniority number?
That out of context stuff looks like fun. Let me try:
Gee, that was fun!
Carl
"The arbitration was legally blocked from being implemented". I bolded the important part so that even you couldn't miss it. If you still doubt me, then why aren't you exercising your Nic seniority number?
That out of context stuff looks like fun. Let me try:
Gee, that was fun!
Carl
This is what I wrote, if you are going quote me don't cut mix and match!!!
06-04-2013, 07:42 AM
#1176
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Position: Right of the Left Seat
Posts: 1,339
"US Airways & APA do not care about DFR status and only want the shortest route to East/West list integration. They are leveraging a ripe DFR opinion to [attempt] a shorter SLI timeline. Management has already achieved a nondisclosure agreement [to attempt] settlement negotiation and final judgement. —Why?
[Sure, newAA management is posturing to avoid liability, but they also] need to take full advantage of AA code sharing being free to reshuffle East/West flying. This also implies that PHX will be reduced and it's block hours outsourced to other AA/East bases with healthy O/D traffic—what other sensitive information could a nondisclosure agreement protecting?" "~Reposted from 116"
[Sure, newAA management is posturing to avoid liability, but they also] need to take full advantage of AA code sharing being free to reshuffle East/West flying. This also implies that PHX will be reduced and it's block hours outsourced to other AA/East bases with healthy O/D traffic—what other sensitive information could a nondisclosure agreement protecting?" "~Reposted from 116"
Judge Silver already deferred an injunction that would force Nicolai submission for SLI—why? The outcome of this case may be largely tied by the summations of previous judgements and the RLA.
It is already established that USAPA is free, no matter how dangerous, to use a legitimate union purpose to not submit Nic in SLI. Judge Silver does not have the RLA authority to make a clear decision in this case and seems to be walking a very fine line.
My conclusion, this is not a time for everyone to be chest thumping:
- None of us have enough education to fully understand what is going on.
- No one knows behind scenes politics—AA/US Air management declaring a ripe DFR
- At least one group is going to be largely disappointed by the collective court proceedings.
I for one will feel badly for either pilot group that does not prevail—both groups have painted themselves into such desperate corners.
06-04-2013, 09:19 AM
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Carl
06-04-2013, 09:22 AM
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06-04-2013, 10:05 AM
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Cactiboss, you have a habit of ignoring truths that don't support your conclusions.
It is already established that USAPA is free, no matter how dangerous, to use a legitimate union purpose to not submit Nic in SLI. Judge Silver does not have the RLA authority to make a clear decision in this case and seems to be walking a very fine line.
My conclusion, this is not a time for everyone to be chest thumping:
I for one will feel badly for either pilot group that does not prevail—both groups have painted themselves into such desperate corners.
"US Airways & APA do not care about DFR status and only want the shortest route to East/West list integration. They are leveraging a ripe DFR opinion to [attempt] a shorter SLI timeline. Management has already achieved a nondisclosure agreement [to attempt] settlement negotiation and final judgement. —Why?
[Sure, newAA management is posturing to avoid liability, but they also] need to take full advantage of AA code sharing being free to reshuffle East/West flying. This also implies that PHX will be reduced and it's block hours outsourced to other AA/East bases with healthy O/D traffic—what other sensitive information could a nondisclosure agreement protecting?" "~Reposted from 116"
Judge Silver already deferred an injunction that would force Nicolai submission for SLI—why? The outcome of this case may be largely tied by the summations of previous judgements and the RLA. [Sure, newAA management is posturing to avoid liability, but they also] need to take full advantage of AA code sharing being free to reshuffle East/West flying. This also implies that PHX will be reduced and it's block hours outsourced to other AA/East bases with healthy O/D traffic—what other sensitive information could a nondisclosure agreement protecting?" "~Reposted from 116"
It is already established that USAPA is free, no matter how dangerous, to use a legitimate union purpose to not submit Nic in SLI. Judge Silver does not have the RLA authority to make a clear decision in this case and seems to be walking a very fine line.
My conclusion, this is not a time for everyone to be chest thumping:
- None of us have enough education to fully understand what is going on.
- No one knows behind scenes politics—AA/US Air management declaring a ripe DFR
- At least one group is going to be largely disappointed by the collective court proceedings.
I for one will feel badly for either pilot group that does not prevail—both groups have painted themselves into such desperate corners.
Last edited by cactiboss; 06-04-2013 at 10:18 AM.
06-04-2013, 10:47 AM
#1180
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Position: Right of the Left Seat
Posts: 1,339
Judge Silver deferred the injunction because the 9th made a bad ruling that tied her hands, she repeats as much in the latest transcripts. AMR in their filings say the west remedy is appropriate and wont interfere with the mou timelines. So AMR just reiterated that the MOU now approved by bk judge is a jcba, usapa will no longer negotiate seniority in the collective bargaining process.
...waiting on the fat lady to sing... any week now.
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