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06-02-2013, 06:41 AM
#1162
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 1,353
Actually, I've got concerns about you and WD being the liars here. I came here quite a while ago to read and learn about this situation. As always, there are truthful people, and liars. Look what you and WD just got through saying:
1. At the time of the merger, AWA was coming off its most profitable year ever. But the 10-K for that year shows AWA lost over 80 million dollars. Your response...radio silence.
2. George Nicolau stated that USAirways had only days before liquidation. But I've googled that and can't find any reference to him saying that. R57 Relay also questioned you and asked for the reference. Your response...radio silence.
People are wary of those who make things up. If you do that in court, you're going to get thumped badly.
Carl
1. At the time of the merger, AWA was coming off its most profitable year ever. But the 10-K for that year shows AWA lost over 80 million dollars. Your response...radio silence.
2. George Nicolau stated that USAirways had only days before liquidation. But I've googled that and can't find any reference to him saying that. R57 Relay also questioned you and asked for the reference. Your response...radio silence.
People are wary of those who make things up. If you do that in court, you're going to get thumped badly.
Carl
America West turned the corner to profitability in the second quarter of 2003, earning a $12 million operating profit and $95 million net profit (via government grants). Shortly thereafter, management made a bold move, announcing non-stop transcontinental service between Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York Kennedy, and Boston. These hub-bypass routes, the first transcontinentals since the short-lived Orange County to New York service, were designed to attract business travelers, and open up more connecting seats through the hubs. Service between Los Angeles and New York/Boston commenced on October 26, 2003, followed by San Francisco to New York service on December 19. San Francisco to Boston service commenced on March 1, 2004.
Surprising the industry, America West posted the first annual profit in three years for 2003. The $46 million profit even surpassed internal projections, giving eligible employees a 7.5% AWArd Pay profitiability bonus. The pilots and company came to an agreement on December 31, 2003, with a three year contract signed.
WD AT AWA
06-02-2013, 07:54 AM
#1163
Flies With The Hat On
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Right of the Left Seat
Posts: 1,339
I challenge you guys to step away from your emotional bickering and produce objective discussion...I'm trying to help you discuss facts, but reality seems beyond so many of you.
Silver has all the information she needs to rule and this crescendo of uncertainty has all of you calling each other scabs and liars?
Just remember that East and West pilots are without question equally at fault for this mess.
Silver has all the information she needs to rule and this crescendo of uncertainty has all of you calling each other scabs and liars?
Just remember that East and West pilots are without question equally at fault for this mess.
06-02-2013, 09:29 AM
#1164
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
06-02-2013, 09:36 AM
#1165
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
Sorry I just do read everything you post but did not want to let you slide on this.
America West turned the corner to profitability in the second quarter of 2003, earning a $12 million operating profit and $95 million net profit (via government grants). Shortly thereafter, management made a bold move[That failed] , announcing non-stop transcontinental service between Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York Kennedy, and Boston. These hub-bypass routes, the first transcontinentals since the short-lived Orange County to New York service, were designed to attract business travelers, and open up more connecting seats through the hubs. Service between Los Angeles and New York/Boston commenced on October 26, 2003, followed by San Francisco to New York service on December 19. San Francisco to Boston service commenced on March 1, 2004.
Surprising the industry, America West posted the first annual profit in three years for 2003. The $46 million profit even surpassed internal projections, giving eligible employees a 7.5% AWArd Pay profitiability bonus. The pilots and company came to an agreement on December 31, 2003, with a three year contract signed.
WD AT AWA
America West turned the corner to profitability in the second quarter of 2003, earning a $12 million operating profit and $95 million net profit (via government grants). Shortly thereafter, management made a bold move[That failed] , announcing non-stop transcontinental service between Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York Kennedy, and Boston. These hub-bypass routes, the first transcontinentals since the short-lived Orange County to New York service, were designed to attract business travelers, and open up more connecting seats through the hubs. Service between Los Angeles and New York/Boston commenced on October 26, 2003, followed by San Francisco to New York service on December 19. San Francisco to Boston service commenced on March 1, 2004.
Surprising the industry, America West posted the first annual profit in three years for 2003. The $46 million profit even surpassed internal projections, giving eligible employees a 7.5% AWArd Pay profitiability bonus. The pilots and company came to an agreement on December 31, 2003, with a three year contract signed.
WD AT AWA
I really cannot believe you posted this. I went through the trouble of finding a link for your 2004 10-K, the least you could do was read it. Let me do some more of the work for you.
"With continued high jet fuel prices and substantial competitive reaction to our transcontinental service, which resulted in increased capacity and decreased fares, we scaled back our transcontinental flying in late 2004. Non-stop services from New York City’s John F. Kennedy International (JFK) and Logan International Airport (BOS) airports to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) were suspended in November 2004. We also suspended service between BOS and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport in early 2005."
"In spite of these initiatives and others designed to increase revenue and productivity and reduce costs, we reported a net loss of $89.0 million in 2004 compared to net income of $57.4 million in 2003. The change in earnings was driven by a $181.1 million increase in fuel expense primarily due to a 39.1% increase in the average price per gallon of fuel. The 2003 results also included a nonoperating gain of $81.3 million related to federal government assistance recognized under the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act."
Every time I do this I end up regretting it, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you had your years mixed up? The merger was in 2005. In 2004 AWA had a loss. In 2003 they had a profit because of government assistance.
06-02-2013, 11:10 AM
#1166
Flies With The Hat On
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Right of the Left Seat
Posts: 1,339
06-02-2013, 12:27 PM
#1167
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 405
Courts were our first choice? You forget something? Like negotiations , mediation for weeks followed by an arbitration with dozens of expert witness and thousands of ours of testimony. How can you even write that stuff? What kind of broken moral compass even allows you to think this way? So you believe all those millions and thousands of man hoursspent the first go around we're nothing but a practice round to be repeated until the east is happy?
06-02-2013, 01:32 PM
#1168
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 1,353
I really cannot believe you posted this. I went through the trouble of finding a link for your 2004 10-K, the least you could do was read it. Let me do some more of the work for you.
"With continued high jet fuel prices and substantial competitive reaction to our transcontinental service, which resulted in increased capacity and decreased fares, we scaled back our transcontinental flying in late 2004. Non-stop services from New York City’s John F. Kennedy International (JFK) and Logan International Airport (BOS) airports to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) were suspended in November 2004. We also suspended service between BOS and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport in early 2005."
"In spite of these initiatives and others designed to increase revenue and productivity and reduce costs, we reported a net loss of $89.0 million in 2004 compared to net income of $57.4 million in 2003. The change in earnings was driven by a $181.1 million increase in fuel expense primarily due to a 39.1% increase in the average price per gallon of fuel. The 2003 results also included a nonoperating gain of $81.3 million related to federal government assistance recognized under the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act."
Every time I do this I end up regretting it, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you had your years mixed up? The merger was in 2005. In 2004 AWA had a loss. In 2003 they had a profit because of government assistance.
"With continued high jet fuel prices and substantial competitive reaction to our transcontinental service, which resulted in increased capacity and decreased fares, we scaled back our transcontinental flying in late 2004. Non-stop services from New York City’s John F. Kennedy International (JFK) and Logan International Airport (BOS) airports to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) were suspended in November 2004. We also suspended service between BOS and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport in early 2005."
"In spite of these initiatives and others designed to increase revenue and productivity and reduce costs, we reported a net loss of $89.0 million in 2004 compared to net income of $57.4 million in 2003. The change in earnings was driven by a $181.1 million increase in fuel expense primarily due to a 39.1% increase in the average price per gallon of fuel. The 2003 results also included a nonoperating gain of $81.3 million related to federal government assistance recognized under the Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act."
Every time I do this I end up regretting it, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you had your years mixed up? The merger was in 2005. In 2004 AWA had a loss. In 2003 they had a profit because of government assistance.
WD at AWA
06-02-2013, 05:35 PM
#1169
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
The author of any statement disagreeing with you is a scab. Nothing new there. But since your airline was founded by real picket line crossing scabs, it makes your misuse of the word even more embarrassing than you normally are.
You can't steal something from someone that never owned it. The arbitration was legally blocked from being implemented, so you never had it in the first place. You were close, but the deal didn't close. So nobody has stolen anything from you.
This is what I've been trying to tell you WD...you're the one whose going to pay. You'll continue to pay your army's lawyers to sue over a moot point against both a union and a company that will soon not exist. Your lawyers will gladly take your money to the bitter end of the last appeal...and then you can call them scabs too I guess.
Carl
Carl
06-02-2013, 07:09 PM
#1170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 1,353
The author of any statement disagreeing with you is a scab. Nothing new there. But since your airline was founded by real picket line crossing scabs, it makes your misuse of the word even more embarrassing than you normally are.
You can't steal something from someone that never owned it. The arbitration was legally blocked from being implemented, so you never had it in the first place. You were close, but the deal didn't close. So nobody has stolen anything from you.
This is what I've been trying to tell you WD...you're the one whose going to pay. You'll continue to pay your army's lawyers to sue over a moot point against both a union and a company that will soon not exist. Your lawyers will gladly take your money to the bitter end of the last appeal...and then you can call them scabs too I guess.
Carl
You can't steal something from someone that never owned it. The arbitration was legally blocked from being implemented, so you never had it in the first place. You were close, but the deal didn't close. So nobody has stolen anything from you.
This is what I've been trying to tell you WD...you're the one whose going to pay. You'll continue to pay your army's lawyers to sue over a moot point against both a union and a company that will soon not exist. Your lawyers will gladly take your money to the bitter end of the last appeal...and then you can call them scabs too I guess.
Carl
Next we will have management saying Naaa we don't like what we got in arbitration therefore we will file suit then legally block it and if you want to do something about fund your suit and sue us. Why because a group of dumb ass pilots have shown us the way and now we have case law. That blade cuts both ways
WD at AWA
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