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06-01-2013, 10:48 AM
#1131
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 1,353
There would have been very little pain east or west would the Nic. been in place in 2008 as the east hiring proves. Fact. Instead we have an airline where east new hires are captains and west pilots have been downgraded and furloughed since 2008. You simply ignore the fact that had the nic. been in place the east would get 2 out of 3 upgrades going forward from that date, instead you successfully have kept us separate and captured every single upgrade at this company for east pilots for 6 years now. How convenient to take a snapshot now and compare it to when we merged in 2005, anyone with half a brain can see thru that charade. I get you have to lie to yourself to make what you have done "ok" in your mind. Usapa is a shiiite stain in the history of airline pilots, look no further than the ual/cal arbitration transcripts to see what people intimately familiar with the situation think of your pilot group, it ain't pretty.
WD at AWA
06-01-2013, 11:06 AM
#1133
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
There would have been very little pain east or west would the Nic. been in place in 2008 as the east hiring proves. Fact. Instead we have an airline where east new hires are captains and west pilots have been downgraded and furloughed since 2008. You simply ignore the fact that had the nic. been in place the east would get 2 out of 3 upgrades going forward from that date, instead you successfully have kept us separate and captured every single upgrade at this company for east pilots for 6 years now. How convenient to take a snapshot now and compare it to when we merged in 2005, anyone with half a brain can see thru that charade. I get you have to lie to yourself to make what you have done "ok" in your mind. Usapa is a shiiite stain in the history of airline pilots, look no further than the ual/cal arbitration transcripts to see what people intimately familiar with the situation think of your pilot group, it ain't pretty.
I ignore the 2 of 3 east upgrades because it is not true. After the east got the top 517 and then Nic stapled the former furloughed, the rest of us are pretty much slotted 1 for 1.25. You show me how that could ever equate to the east getting 2 out of 3 upgrades.
I haven't read the UAL/CAL transcripts, but if what a west friend told me yesterday is true then what is being said is at best a stretch, most likely an outright lie because someone is being forced to eat his words.
06-01-2013, 11:11 AM
#1134
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
Just because he is kissing east a$$ trying to get a discount from always fired seham doesn't mean he is welcome. He has no dog in this fight no real insight and nothing of any value to contribute OTHER than kissing east a$$. No other DAL or NWA pilots support this loon as evidence from my pvt messages. Now where you are concerned that's another matter entirely. Now as for AOL koolaid?? I have no idea what you mean on that front?? I do know that someone like this loon who benefited from an arbitration award very close to our own. AND who is supported by a real union then comes on here bashing that very union and supporting not honoring an arbitration makes him an idiot! I like having you around and it will be that much sweeter when we find out that the arb list will be the starting point and I get to come on here and discuss that with you. One senior pilot to another.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
The DAL pilot on my jumpseat called your group "the worst bunch of scumbags in the industry." I swear, and I took up for you.
If we start out with the Nic, and we may, I will be here to tell you that you were right. Do I need to bring out all of your(west)other predictions that were dead wrong?
06-01-2013, 11:16 AM
#1135
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
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Finish the sentence Relay! This is something that is rampant with you east folk, you leave out chunks of the story for your own benefit. Show us all the rest of that story please will you?? You know the parts where the court states you will be sued by the disadvantage pilots and the part about making that change so long as there is legit union purpose??? Why leave out the best parts Relay huh??? I think we both know don't we? REMEMBER, NO AIRLINE ARBITRATION RESULT HAS EVER BEEN OVERTURNED. KEEP HOPE ALIVE THOUGH
WD at AWA
KEEP HOPE ALIVE THOUGHWD at AWA
How about you bringing the whole story. Like where Judge Silver provided you with a legitimate union purpose. Or that the only currently standing legal decision is in USAPA's favor. Wide range of reasonableness? The fact that the MOU calls for seniority listS to be used and has a sunset for all other contract. How about those WD?
06-01-2013, 11:53 AM
#1136
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
It's still before the courts because you have every right to be heard in court...and appeal that which you think is wrong. Your case isn't moot until the final judge dismisses it because it is moot, or because you haven't been damaged. I think there's a very strong possibility that you'll be told just that.
More legitimate "army" debate I guess.
Carl
06-01-2013, 11:57 AM
#1137
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06-01-2013, 12:00 PM
#1138
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Carl
06-01-2013, 12:09 PM
#1139
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Because the east's viable and competitive operation needs more pilots
Because the west's non-viable and non-competitive operation is shrinking and needs fewer pilots.
The Nic's implementation wouldn't have changed the non-viable operations of Phoenix and Las Vegas. It would just have limited the pain to mostly east pilots.
Carl
06-01-2013, 12:11 PM
#1140
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Cacti , read very slowly. YOU ARE WRONG. You are one of those people that hears something and if it fits what you want to hear, you take it as gospel. You ignore the facts of the world around you.
I ignore the 2 of 3 east upgrades because it is not true. After the east got the top 517 and then Nic stapled the former furloughed, the rest of us are pretty much slotted 1 for 1.25. You show me how that could ever equate to the east getting 2 out of 3 upgrades.
I haven't read the UAL/CAL transcripts, but if what a west friend told me yesterday is true then what is being said is at best a stretch, most likely an outright lie because someone is being forced to eat his words.
I ignore the 2 of 3 east upgrades because it is not true. After the east got the top 517 and then Nic stapled the former furloughed, the rest of us are pretty much slotted 1 for 1.25. You show me how that could ever equate to the east getting 2 out of 3 upgrades.
I haven't read the UAL/CAL transcripts, but if what a west friend told me yesterday is true then what is being said is at best a stretch, most likely an outright lie because someone is being forced to eat his words.
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