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05-31-2013, 08:06 PM
#1111
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Joined APC: May 2007
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It always cracks me up when you misuse words in the very sentence in which you call me an idiot.
You did in fact get the point however!
Nobody's talking about what happened PRIOR to arbitration WD. This is now about movement from here.
There is not a thing we in the west need to move on. An arbitration was held in accordance with the provisions outlined within the merger policy and a ruling was delivered. End of that story.
I was not stroking the east pilots when I said that their DOH proposal was unfair to the west pilots and as such, not even a serious proposal. But I know the true "army soldiers" like yourself just read right past those posts of mine.
Probably because you dont belong on this thread or as part of this conversation. This is between AWA and USAIR and now APA neither of which you belong so again you need to move on as you've worn out your welcome!
Lighten up Francis. If you think I've violated the TOS, then report it. Until then, I'll respond however I damn well please. It's important for others besides fire stokers like you to state opinions.
Carl
You did in fact get the point however!
Nobody's talking about what happened PRIOR to arbitration WD. This is now about movement from here.
There is not a thing we in the west need to move on. An arbitration was held in accordance with the provisions outlined within the merger policy and a ruling was delivered. End of that story.
I was not stroking the east pilots when I said that their DOH proposal was unfair to the west pilots and as such, not even a serious proposal. But I know the true "army soldiers" like yourself just read right past those posts of mine.
Probably because you dont belong on this thread or as part of this conversation. This is between AWA and USAIR and now APA neither of which you belong so again you need to move on as you've worn out your welcome!
Lighten up Francis. If you think I've violated the TOS, then report it. Until then, I'll respond however I damn well please. It's important for others besides fire stokers like you to state opinions.
Carl
WD at AWA
05-31-2013, 08:07 PM
#1112
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The problem is that the courts are your first, middle and last thoughts. Negotiations and compromise appear to be prohibited words by the likes of you and WD because you want to keep the anger and vitriol going. You'll never be able to prove your righteousness otherwise.
The good news is that I think you and your fellow "army" members are slowly becoming a minority. I've spoken to a number of third listers when I commute, and none of them support you. Every one just wants to move forward with some kind of compromise.
Carl
The good news is that I think you and your fellow "army" members are slowly becoming a minority. I've spoken to a number of third listers when I commute, and none of them support you. Every one just wants to move forward with some kind of compromise.
Carl
05-31-2013, 08:27 PM
#1113
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76drvr is yet another well paid forum monitor who defends ALPA at all costs. ALPA is who butters his bread, so no ALPA negativity is allowed.
For the record, I don't work with the Seham law firm, nor have I ever met or spoke to anyone in that law firm. What I have done is fill out a card to decertify ALPA as the bargaining agent for Delta pilots. 76drvr knows all this, but it's his job to lie and smear people he doesn't even know.
Carl
For the record, I don't work with the Seham law firm, nor have I ever met or spoke to anyone in that law firm. What I have done is fill out a card to decertify ALPA as the bargaining agent for Delta pilots. 76drvr knows all this, but it's his job to lie and smear people he doesn't even know.
Carl
Why do you try to deny your bromance with all things Seham? You are a proud shill for Seham and his efforts at Delta. you are a true Seham law firm apologist and propagandist, why do you deny it? Why are you not boasting of your support and association with Seham?
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05-31-2013, 11:05 PM
#1114
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Carl, with regards to me being some sort of paid forum monitor, what a pack of lies. No surprise there.
Why do you try to deny your bromance with all things Seham? You are a proud shill for Seham and his efforts at Delta. you are a true Seham law firm apologist and propagandist, why do you deny it? Why are you not boasting of your support and association with Seham?
Why do you try to deny your bromance with all things Seham? You are a proud shill for Seham and his efforts at Delta. you are a true Seham law firm apologist and propagandist, why do you deny it? Why are you not boasting of your support and association with Seham?
06-01-2013, 05:21 AM
#1115
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06-01-2013, 05:38 AM
#1116
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
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Cacti and WD are a trip. Cacti's state purpose on this board was to "educate" the pilot of other airlines about what has happened here. They have tried to do so with half-truths and sometimes outright lies. Now, when a pilot from another airline counters their claims, he is a Seeham shill, even though he said a few pages back that the east pilot's DOH quest would be a windfall! Amazing.
Whether Carl supports DPA, or Seeham doesn't that he doesn't have an opinion or that he is wrong. Is he was here praising the west pilots you would be singing his praises.
Whether Carl supports DPA, or Seeham doesn't that he doesn't have an opinion or that he is wrong. Is he was here praising the west pilots you would be singing his praises.
06-01-2013, 05:40 AM
#1117
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If you think he is hard on west pilots then you should have heard was a DL jumpseat rider said about your group.
06-01-2013, 05:42 AM
#1118
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Yes it does. It tells me that there are some within DL that actually try and look at the facts and don't just swallow the west BS. You have not counters a single one of my facts.
06-01-2013, 05:49 AM
#1119
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1. JCBA, that they east pulled out of AFTER they failed to get their way.
2. Ethics are not even a question here make a deal and break it? Easy to see.
3. Does not really matter? Correct all after the fact including usapa.
2. Ethics are not even a question here make a deal and break it? Easy to see.
3. Does not really matter? Correct all after the fact including usapa.
4. Legality? But for the unethical actions taken by the east we would never have seen the courts.
5. AOL would not be necessary if not for the east dishonesty.
So you see young man, all this is a direct reaction to the actions of the east. Ethics is not a word you really should use in conjunction the east/usapa. They have done more harm since their creation than any one management team in the history of the us aviation industry. This includes the likes of Ican and Lorenzo. Never in the rich history of the Airline Pilots Association did they EVER seek ways to terminate a fellow pilots career. Usapa has done this over and over and over in there small existence. The very word UNION means to join together. Usapa means seek and destroy the America west pilot and they have gone to great lengths to do so. The east/usapa would have to climb up just to reach the belly of scabs which makes them the lowest form of scum on this planet.
WD at AWA
5. AOL would not be necessary if not for the east dishonesty.
So you see young man, all this is a direct reaction to the actions of the east. Ethics is not a word you really should use in conjunction the east/usapa. They have done more harm since their creation than any one management team in the history of the us aviation industry. This includes the likes of Ican and Lorenzo. Never in the rich history of the Airline Pilots Association did they EVER seek ways to terminate a fellow pilots career. Usapa has done this over and over and over in there small existence. The very word UNION means to join together. Usapa means seek and destroy the America west pilot and they have gone to great lengths to do so. The east/usapa would have to climb up just to reach the belly of scabs which makes them the lowest form of scum on this planet.
WD at AWA
You ALWAYS leave out the fact that, no matter what the method, the east had the power to impede the Nicolau award because of the TA. Again I ask, if you were in my shoes, what kind of a lousy contract would you have accepted, that cemented a terrible SLI for you?
06-01-2013, 06:06 AM
#1120
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Position: A320 Capt
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I can't even answer this. What caused the wests costs to skyrocket? Why couldn't the east compete with Swa before the merger? Why was us bankrupt and with 1600 furloughs and the west hiring? Why was the east hiring while the west was furloughing? Btw there would be zero furloughs if the east didn't block a contract, east or west, there would have been no need to hire in the east. The Nicolau, after the first 500 slots going east, gave the east 2 out of 3 captain seats. Fact. According to you only the east should benefit from our merger, nice. Oh and we defend the Nic. Because the east is trying to staple us after the fact, they are trying to take what a neutral arbitrator didn't give them. What a stupid question.
-What cause the west costs to skyrocket? FUEL!!!! In 2004 it was in $40 a barrel range and you did not produce a profit! Kirby told you guys that merging with US did not materially change the cost of your old operation, but it did bring in higher revenues due to better connection possibilities and chance for better corporate accounts.
-The east's costs were too high when it tried to compete with SWA before 2004, and management always ran. We lowered them through Chp 11, and Parker stopped running. Carl is exactly correct about PHL. Compare SWA there now with what they had and planned.
-Was US bankrupt and AW hiring? For US a large part of it was 9/11 and outright mismanagement by Wolf/Gangwal. Did you know that they bought back 1.9 BILLION of US stock prior to the UA merger? That all went poof. AWA was trying to expand, but it was failing. Remember your failed trans-con? The day of reckoning was coming and Parker has said over and over again that absent this merger it would have been MUCH worse for guys in your seniority position.
-You assumption of zero furloughs is speculative at best and I believe flawed. You fail to remember that the Kirby proposal had no min fleet or block hour protections. Those were provided in the TA. I don't think there is any way they would have given us meaningful contract increase and hard protections. If not, during the recession they would have taken an ax to us. They wanted to, but because of the min fleet and block hour protections all they could do was sell 5 E190s not covered.
-Nicolau did not give the east 2 out of 3 upgrades. That is one of the sound bites produced and swallowed by west pilots. I have shown you that it is false. The FACT is that after only 6 years after the Nic was published, every single west pilot is in the seniority range that now holds group 2 captain on the east. You would have had no damage from the recession and your shrinking route structure on the backs of east pilots had the Nic been in place in 2007. FACT.
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