Questions for AA folks :)
02-15-2013, 04:08 PM
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Questions for AA folks :)
What percent of people at AA would you say are commuters?
How many times per month would you say you go to work? .. If you could mention something about where you stand in seniority for this question.. like I'm in the top third, middle or bottom third of MIA 737I.
I've always been under the impression that there are more commuters at the majors. I know it can be a lot easier if you have seniority to hold some international flying. At Eagle I've done some commuting and even the easier commutes were a huge PITA with my bottom half seniority but I want to live where I want to live. hehe The biggest problems I had was non commutable schedules and stuck with one day off in the transition.
Any other input appreciated.
How many times per month would you say you go to work? .. If you could mention something about where you stand in seniority for this question.. like I'm in the top third, middle or bottom third of MIA 737I.
I've always been under the impression that there are more commuters at the majors. I know it can be a lot easier if you have seniority to hold some international flying. At Eagle I've done some commuting and even the easier commutes were a huge PITA with my bottom half seniority but I want to live where I want to live. hehe The biggest problems I had was non commutable schedules and stuck with one day off in the transition.
Any other input appreciated.
02-15-2013, 04:41 PM
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Senior guys holding 4 trips if they want. Same for 50%. 75% on reserve. Junior lines are 6 or 7 trips. If you back them up you might be able to do 4 commutes.
Some guys bidding 8 2 days. Even commuters. Guessing the game plan is to back to back 2 or 3 day trips.
Some guys bidding 8 2 days. Even commuters. Guessing the game plan is to back to back 2 or 3 day trips.
02-15-2013, 05:05 PM
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Sounds about like Eagle.. Isn't it easier over there at AA to move your trips around to make less commutes?
02-16-2013, 06:40 AM
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Yes, especially in larger bid statuses. Having a large commuter population helps. You can track the lines guys hold and the open time to figure out what a commuter is doing before you decide to bid that equipment.
02-17-2013, 04:59 AM
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It's shocking how badly the quality of the lines has deteriorated over the years. As a year two FO, I was easily flying 12 days a month for 78 hours.
That number (days worked) has increased steadily. Last few months on the 737 in DFW, we've been seeing a number of 18+ day lines, and the commutability of most of them is terrible.
It'll be interesting to see what preferential bidding will do.
That number (days worked) has increased steadily. Last few months on the 737 in DFW, we've been seeing a number of 18+ day lines, and the commutability of most of them is terrible.
It'll be interesting to see what preferential bidding will do.
02-17-2013, 06:13 AM
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Forever,
We are the last airline to succumb to that. Everyone else has seen their QOL go down the drain. Agree 100%, we are working a lot harder today for the same hrs. It was bound to come eventually.
Regarding the previous poster's question about how easy it is to get rid of your schedule: like Sliceback says, the bigger the bid status, the easier it is to change your month around.
When I was based in DCA (small base), I could trip trade maybe one or two trips, that was it. Here in MIA, I've gotten a crappy line that worked on Christmas Day, and was able to completely replace it, including getting Christmas off. That's simply because MIA is so big and has so much open time/posted trips, it's a breeze changing things around.
We are the last airline to succumb to that. Everyone else has seen their QOL go down the drain. Agree 100%, we are working a lot harder today for the same hrs. It was bound to come eventually.
Regarding the previous poster's question about how easy it is to get rid of your schedule: like Sliceback says, the bigger the bid status, the easier it is to change your month around.
When I was based in DCA (small base), I could trip trade maybe one or two trips, that was it. Here in MIA, I've gotten a crappy line that worked on Christmas Day, and was able to completely replace it, including getting Christmas off. That's simply because MIA is so big and has so much open time/posted trips, it's a breeze changing things around.
02-17-2013, 05:01 PM
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02-18-2013, 04:52 AM
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If you're referring to the "good ol' days", it was 1992, DFW, MD-80 FO, relatively junior line holder.
The reasonably low number of days worked for 78 hours was mostly due to the 5 hour minimum day rule, which changed later to a 5 hour average. That was the single worst work rule change we allowed.
The old rule - you have a 3 day trip that looks like this:
1) 3 legs, 7 hours; pay 7
2) 2 legs, 4 hours; pay 5
3) 1 leg home, 2 hours; pay 5
total pay is 17 hours.
After the change, that same trip, with 13 hours of flying, is paid at 15 hours. It also allowed the company to create some truly bad trips. One of the worst of all time was a DFW Caracas, lay over 24 hours, Caracas home. A 3-day trip that paid 11 hours, and you are a prisoner in a hotel in a dangerous city. It sucked massively.
I could go on and on...
The reasonably low number of days worked for 78 hours was mostly due to the 5 hour minimum day rule, which changed later to a 5 hour average. That was the single worst work rule change we allowed.
The old rule - you have a 3 day trip that looks like this:
1) 3 legs, 7 hours; pay 7
2) 2 legs, 4 hours; pay 5
3) 1 leg home, 2 hours; pay 5
total pay is 17 hours.
After the change, that same trip, with 13 hours of flying, is paid at 15 hours. It also allowed the company to create some truly bad trips. One of the worst of all time was a DFW Caracas, lay over 24 hours, Caracas home. A 3-day trip that paid 11 hours, and you are a prisoner in a hotel in a dangerous city. It sucked massively.
I could go on and on...
02-18-2013, 12:08 PM
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If you're referring to the "good ol' days", it was 1992, DFW, MD-80 FO, relatively junior line holder.
The reasonably low number of days worked for 78 hours was mostly due to the 5 hour minimum day rule, which changed later to a 5 hour average. That was the single worst work rule change we allowed.
The old rule - you have a 3 day trip that looks like this:
1) 3 legs, 7 hours; pay 7
2) 2 legs, 4 hours; pay 5
3) 1 leg home, 2 hours; pay 5
total pay is 17 hours.
After the change, that same trip, with 13 hours of flying, is paid at 15 hours. It also allowed the company to create some truly bad trips. One of the worst of all time was a DFW Caracas, lay over 24 hours, Caracas home. A 3-day trip that paid 11 hours, and you are a prisoner in a hotel in a dangerous city. It sucked massively.
I could go on and on...
The reasonably low number of days worked for 78 hours was mostly due to the 5 hour minimum day rule, which changed later to a 5 hour average. That was the single worst work rule change we allowed.
The old rule - you have a 3 day trip that looks like this:
1) 3 legs, 7 hours; pay 7
2) 2 legs, 4 hours; pay 5
3) 1 leg home, 2 hours; pay 5
total pay is 17 hours.
After the change, that same trip, with 13 hours of flying, is paid at 15 hours. It also allowed the company to create some truly bad trips. One of the worst of all time was a DFW Caracas, lay over 24 hours, Caracas home. A 3-day trip that paid 11 hours, and you are a prisoner in a hotel in a dangerous city. It sucked massively.
I could go on and on...
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