Views on the pilot slowdown from FF customer
10-04-2012, 04:35 PM
#121
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You could really call anyone who sits at a keyboard these days a button pusher. The technical aspects of any job can be automated pretty easily with technology. The thinking part is what is difficult to replace. Could lawyers and doctors be replaced by computers? How about writers, teachers or the media? Computers could do parts of any of these things, but obviously there is still some human involvement required. I don't feel too threatened yet.
10-04-2012, 04:37 PM
#122
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FlyerJosh,
No one is denying the technology exists. But the fact remains that the new technology costs mega bucks. Airlines don't like spending money. In the airline business, 777 technology is still pretty state of the art. Just becuase the technology may exist in 15 years, doesn't mean it will be applied in 15 years. You can't instantly apply technology to the airline world. It takes YEARS of jumping through hoops and spending millions of dollars just to get something approved. And the FAA moves at a snails pace.
No one is denying the technology exists. But the fact remains that the new technology costs mega bucks. Airlines don't like spending money. In the airline business, 777 technology is still pretty state of the art. Just becuase the technology may exist in 15 years, doesn't mean it will be applied in 15 years. You can't instantly apply technology to the airline world. It takes YEARS of jumping through hoops and spending millions of dollars just to get something approved. And the FAA moves at a snails pace.
10-04-2012, 05:35 PM
#123
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Again I'll ask, are you a pilot, who do you work for, what are your degrees in?
If you continue to refuse, take your anti-military sympathies elsewhere, because you are both in the minority and ungrateful.
10-04-2012, 07:09 PM
#124
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Back on topic, a lot of American Frequent Fliers seemed to be more concerned about losing their Advantage Miles or traveler status that may result from a future merger, rather than being concerned about the current sporatic disruption in operations.
Chicago Tribune - Is it safe to fly American Airlines?
Chicago Tribune - Is it safe to fly American Airlines?
10-04-2012, 07:12 PM
#125
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According to APC info: UAL has approximately 12000 pilots. 6000 x avg annual salary of 70000 for FOs (I imagine/hope that it's actually higher than that), equals a potential savings of 420 million per YEAR.
That doesn't include pensions, retirement contributions, healthcare, administration support costs, training, etc.
Trust me, it's bound to happen sometime. It won't be an "all at once" integration obviously, and more than likely it willmhappen overseas first, but manufacturers will head that way and airlines WILL follow.
Not that long ago people would have sworn that FEs couldn't have been replaced by technology and that safety would be compromised by removing the third crew member from the flight deck.
That doesn't include pensions, retirement contributions, healthcare, administration support costs, training, etc.
Trust me, it's bound to happen sometime. It won't be an "all at once" integration obviously, and more than likely it willmhappen overseas first, but manufacturers will head that way and airlines WILL follow.
Not that long ago people would have sworn that FEs couldn't have been replaced by technology and that safety would be compromised by removing the third crew member from the flight deck.
10-04-2012, 07:14 PM
#126
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Doctors do operations now from around the world via robotics, never meeting the patient or being within 10,000 miles of them. Some posters here would say that's not true either because you have to be present, the technology isn't there and you'd have to be a Dr hater to even think it. That's the difference between over paid button-pushers and people who live outside a tin can working on real world issues instead of defending their ATP PhD.
10-04-2012, 07:21 PM
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You haven't kept up with the thread, I've said many commuter pilots work a whole lot harder and for a whole lot less pay than these 121 guys and in a commuter your not pushing buttons, some do mostly hand flying. So in your case you may be way under paid for what you do and fly. The button pushers, no.
10-04-2012, 07:21 PM
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