tsquare

But yet you chose to go against the advice of those same attorneys and vote it down... or did they suggest that you do so? Got a DFR suit ready?

"Brilliant."

Anger is a poor strategy, and when someone says, "I don't have time to..." it is a clear indicator that he has no points to back up his argument.

aa73

TSquare... Again, we chose to disregard our "expert advice" due to the fact that there was a pretty obvious conflict of interest with their Yes recommendation:

- They got a bigger payout with a Yes vote
- They HAD to recommend the least risk option (a Yes vote) for their own best interests and job security
- THEY were not the ones stuck with up to a 10 year C-scale contract that represented the dregs of the industry
- They absolutely refused to discuss, and had NO ANSWER to, what would happen with a No vote. Red herring anyone?

Those are but some of the reasons.

Last but not least: Bernie Madoff was a so called financial "expert." I'm not lumping Lazard in with him, but you get the point: just because we have experts does not necessarily mean they recommend the best thing for us.

WE, the Pilots of AA, chose to go through the narrow door - the one which represents the bloodiest fight. And we didn't choose it based on emotion - we chose based on fighting for our careers.

eaglefly

You make a lot of assumptions about what the AA pilot group did and why. I hear you throw around terms like "burning down" and "anger", yet I don't see those assumptions as drivers in what has or might occur. You also give a lot of advice, but you seem to not have a full grasp of everything in play.As an example, on the other thread you asked what the "U CLA" is. This confirms to me you have only bits and pieces, yet choose to mold those into certainties of past decisions and future goals and strategy.

Concerning AA pilots situation, I think you are better at asking questions then answering them.

Justdoinmyjob

T,
I think he was referring to the board of directors of APA, not this forum board.

eaglefly

TT has worked himself into quite a lather, although why, I don't know. Perhaps a hug is in order ?

tsquare

Lighten up Francis. I am in no lather whatsoever. I enjoy the discussion. You guys are gonna do what you are gonna do, and I have no input to that process. I am just trying to understand the mentality.

NERD

AA pilots,

The majority of Delta pilots I have flown with and spoken with support and admire your courage. You have done what the rest of the pilot groups (Dal, Nwa, USair x2, Ual, Calx2) didn't have the courage to do. And that was to say "it's too much" . Most of us are realistic and realize there was, and in your case, is a need for some concessions. However, like all of us, your mgmt. is overreaching to the extreme. It is a want vs need issue. Your group would most likely vote in the "need" but have couragously held your ground against their "wants". None of us know how this will turn out(my gut is in your favor) but at least you will be able to look at yourselves in the mirror. Good luck to y'all going forward. 3, 2, 1 time for T, alfa or sailings comments on how your wrong.

eaglefly

It's obvious you'll never understand until you spend some time in an AA pilots loafers. I certainly wouldn't jump on a thread discussing the inner details about what's occuring at your carrier and have the stones to wave my fingers at your decisions with only scraps of info and a boatload of assumptions.

Perhaps it's time to accept you are out of your element ?

tsquare

Reeeeeeally? Did you know that DAL went thru bankruptcy? Do you know that we had our pensions terminated? Do you realize that we got a payout on those pensions because we took a deal that was much better than the alternative path which you have chosen.

As far as the inner workings, you are right, I don't know all the details. I know what is public information, and it is not hard to connect the dots of where the judge is in his thought process. As I said before, I am not trying to convince you of anything, you have to make your own choices based on the information available to you. I am just trying to understand the thought process.

I am well within my element here, but thanks for your condescension nonetheless.

tsquare

I was referring to this post below where he was slamming alfa... not the one you quoted.