What now?
08-20-2012, 02:13 PM
#41
Straight QOL, homie
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08-20-2012, 02:17 PM
#42
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08-20-2012, 02:47 PM
#43
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08-20-2012, 02:58 PM
#44
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So you are saying that the attorneys that the independent union has hired are not very good? I mean, there is no conflict of interest, those lawyers aren't working for anybody else.. ostensibly... and (in your words) they bungled the case) Hmmmmm THAT is very interesting. How do you know that the next attorneys will be any better? Maybe ALPA doesn't suck as bad as everybody thinks. Naaaaahh couldn't be THAT..
08-20-2012, 02:59 PM
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So you are saying that the attorneys that the independent union has hired are not very good? I mean, there is no conflict of interest, those lawyers aren't working for anybody else.. ostensibly... and (in your words) they bungled the case) Hmmmmm THAT is very interesting. How do you know that the next attorneys will be any better? Maybe ALPA doesn't suck as bad as everybody thinks. Naaaaahh couldn't be THAT..
08-20-2012, 03:49 PM
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Discussing this with you is like explaining physics to a 4 year old. You just have no clue. We're done, so you can lob all the Molotovs you want. I DO hope you realize that you will benefit from our latest contract far more than I.. but I guess you don't see that either. Don't worry though, you will.
08-20-2012, 03:50 PM
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08-20-2012, 03:55 PM
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So the APA did a bad job of hiring attorneys then? I don't get it. If they had recommended the course that you have set upon, and you get taken to the woodshed, would you think they have done the correct thing for you? That makes no sense. If you just want a rubber stamp to agree with the anger and encourage you while you commit hari kiri, hell, I'll do that for you for a cool $500,000. Tell me what you want, and I'll go right along with that.
08-20-2012, 04:27 PM
#49
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I don't know the specifics as to why APA went with Lazard. They didn't call me to ask my opinion, and I'm even not qualified to give it.
All I know is that Lazard and the APA leadership tried to sell us a turd, and we waved the B.S. flag. Period. The TA was THE most concessionary piece of crap ever to hit the airline pilot profession, and frankly it was embarrassing to watch Lazard and APA's eyes glossing over it.
So do we get a worse deal by voting down the TA? Dunno. What I *DO* know is that we refuse to live on our knees. If we're gonna get slammed with something worst than the TA, it won't be because we caved.
Make no mistake, AMR, the UCC and Judge Lane absolutely dread not having a pilot contract in place. Therein lies our leverage, and we plan on taking full advantage of it.
All I know is that Lazard and the APA leadership tried to sell us a turd, and we waved the B.S. flag. Period. The TA was THE most concessionary piece of crap ever to hit the airline pilot profession, and frankly it was embarrassing to watch Lazard and APA's eyes glossing over it.
So do we get a worse deal by voting down the TA? Dunno. What I *DO* know is that we refuse to live on our knees. If we're gonna get slammed with something worst than the TA, it won't be because we caved.
Make no mistake, AMR, the UCC and Judge Lane absolutely dread not having a pilot contract in place. Therein lies our leverage, and we plan on taking full advantage of it.
08-21-2012, 02:13 AM
#50
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The advisors certainly don't inspire much confidence. The BOD had all this inside confidential info, yet barely half of them were convinced enough to vote to send it to the pilots. Additionally, the TA was devoid of most critical contract language and Lazard was recommending pilots pin the remainder of their careers on mostly bullet points..........ridiculous and absurd.
I understand Lazard has past and present relationships with some of the creditors including BOD positions, so many see too much incest.
Bottom line is pilots need to take control of their futures and think for themselves for a change, instead of blindly accepting that told to them from entities and sources with conflicting interests.
I understand Lazard has past and present relationships with some of the creditors including BOD positions, so many see too much incest.
Bottom line is pilots need to take control of their futures and think for themselves for a change, instead of blindly accepting that told to them from entities and sources with conflicting interests.
