Originally Posted by Tomahawk58

Somewhat positive development:

The Allied Pilots Association is telling its members in a Thursday hotline that its board of directors has more time to review American Airlines’ last, best and final offer,” but not too much time –* only until Wednesday, June 27:

“At the request of APA and AMR management, United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane has agreed to stay his ruling on our collective bargaining agreement until Friday, June 29. Judge Lane is presiding over the AMR restructuring case and is considering management’s motion to abrogate our collective bargaining agreement.

“The interim period is intended to give APA and management additional time to discuss and deliberate details of management’s ‘final offer’ and to develop related contract language. In voting ‘no’ yesterday against approving management’s final offer as a tentative agreement, Board members cited the lack of specificity in various areas and the need for additional time to properly analyze various contractual provisions and related language.

“Once APA and management have had an opportunity to address the APA Board’s concerns, the Board will vote again on whether to approve management’s offer as a tentative agreement. At Judge Lane’s request, that vote is to take place no later than close of business on Wednesday, June 27.

“Meetings between APA and management are slated to continue through this coming weekend. The APA Board of Directors will reconvene on Monday, June 25 following a weekend recess to provide guidance to the APA negotiating team in the ongoing discussions.”

Originally Posted by eaglefly

A vote "no later" then Wednesday June 27. I believe the last day for retirement lock-in is Friday June 29 for those who either want to commit or re-lock (defer) to the next month.

Gee, what a coincidence.

Originally Posted by Tomahawk58

You aren't starting to worry that level heads and minds on both sides just might craft a consensual agreement are you!

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Not at all. In fact, I'm willing to read any TA BEFORE I determine whether I'll vote in favor of it, unlike MANY more militant then me. One obvious deal killer is if I cannot determine what a specific provision means. Unfortunatly, given AMR's LONG history of not standing by their own labor agreements intent and finding any and every loophole of exit they can to subvert a contractual provision, if the language is ambiguous, it gets a red line across it.

Of course scope is at the top of the list and that will be the first thing scrutinized and if it isn't acceptable, I'll go no further, but ambiguous B.S. is just as fast a deal killer. I think the chances are high, a deal will be made that will pass the BOD. But I doubt the pilot group will give a free pass, at least not me. It is what it will be and it will stand or fall on its value. Fear of it failing is not a concern. 'll bet a week or so from now, we'll be nitpicking that thing on this forum and of course, you're ALREADY a "yes" vote, so I know where you stand.

Originally Posted by Tomahawk58

Thankfully, the future doesn't just belong to you and me alone. I have great faith that a fair reading of any proposal will result in a sensible outcome on the part of the membership. Most don't post and engage in this type of banter.

Most will look to the details to inform their decision. I'm betting the ultimate outcome will be the right one!

Best to all AAer's!

Originally Posted by 7576FO

Bev Goulet "We will get more concessions from our employees than USAir can"

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Question ;

If the details are fairly scrutinized and "informed" pilots should choose to reject any TA, then is that then "right" and/or "sensible" outcome ?

....or is your opinon the only "sensible" and "right" outcome, a ratification regardless of what the provisions are ?

Originally Posted by Tomahawk58

If after a fair reading, the majority of the membership turns down the agreement, then yes, the membership will have spoken and we'll have our opportunity to work under Mr Parker incredible leadership.

Best to all AAer's!