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Old 06-20-2012, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58

He is not in this for AAer's or his own folks for the matter either!
Anyone who believes that most of the upper management of almost any significant publicly traded US carrier is in this to 1) run a great airline or 2) do anything for the people in the company is living in some kind of distorted dreamland. They are in it to make money for themselves. The endless bankruptcies demonstrate that they are not in it for the shareholders.

The days of trying to be the best airline ended long ago. Now it's about being the cheapest operator in order maximize short term benefits for upper management. No more. No less.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58
I didnt miss the question, the answer is yes.

So you're saying you are not in management in any way(CKA, Flt Ops, Training, Safety)?

Depending upon what school house job guys occupy their pay rate might be established by the Green Book.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:59 AM
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AMR Bankruptcy thread ....
Think, one day soon you may be working with that bunch.....Good luck
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
You are full of shiite, had it not been for the east pilot's not one west pilot would have seen the street, that is a fact. You owe us 190/757 flying and there are a330's you didn't have as well as expanded international flying since the merger that we can't participate in. Another fact is every federal judge has said the west has been clearly harmed by the east's actions, yet they all pass the buck.
The other guys are right, thread creep again. See you PM.

CactusMike-I'm putting odds at less than 50%.
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
So you're saying you are not in management in any way(CKA, Flt Ops, Training, Safety)?

Depending upon what school house job guys occupy their pay rate might be established by the Green Book.
I'm willing to bet he is one of the clueless hacks hired during the previous VP of Flight's tenure.

No senior Manager at AMR hired anyone below he/she that could be a future threat to their own position because the subordinate could viewed as more capable than their boss. The only recent change to that behavior was the hiring of the current VP of Flight who is sharp and a good leader, but with about as much power to do any real good as my dog. IMHO, he was hired because the FAA had enough of flight hiring inexperienced Chief's. that is one major reason why I want the LCC deal to go through.

The AA Flight Department has needed a complete flushing for 20 years. As I said in a previous post, I believe the entire TWA FLT DEP should have sent all of the DFW staff back to the line. Personally, I've gotten real tired of endless mispelled, badly formatted, incorrect and revised 3 times, company bulletins that some hack at DFW screwed up in between playing rounds of 9 square Suduko during their typical 10:30am-3:15 "workday".

TH's latest post proves my point. "Douggie is in it for himself" No S%%t genius.

I could care less if he likes me or my fellow pilots. If I want a real friend, I'll dress my dog in a manager's suit.
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:24 AM
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I'm willing to bet he is one of the clueless hacks hired during the previous VP of Flight's tenure.

No senior Manager at AMR hired anyone below he/she that could be a future threat to their own position because the subordinate could viewed as more capable than their boss. The only recent change to that behavior was the hiring of the current VP of Flight who is sharp and a good leader, but with about as much power to do any real good as my dog. IMHO, he was hired because the FAA had enough of flight hiring inexperienced Chief's. that is one major reason why I want the LCC deal to go through.

The AA Flight Department has needed a complete flushing for 20 years. As I said in a previous post, I believe the entire TWA FLT DEP should have sent all of the DFW staff back to the line. Personally, I've gotten real tired of endless mispelled, badly formatted, incorrect and revised 3 times, company bulletins that some hack at DFW screwed up in between playing rounds of 9 square Suduko during their typical 10:30am-3:15 "workday".

TH's latest post proves my point. "Douggie is in it for himself" No S%%t genius.

I could care less if he likes me or my fellow pilots. If I want a real friend, I'll dress my dog in a manager's suit.
Which TH are you referring to? Tom Horton or Tom-a-hawk58, I can't differentiate between the two!
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
I'm willing to bet he is one of the clueless hacks hired during the previous VP of Flight's tenure.

No senior Manager at AMR hired anyone below he/she that could be a future threat to their own position because the subordinate could viewed as more capable than their boss. The only recent change to that behavior was the hiring of the current VP of Flight who is sharp and a good leader, but with about as much power to do any real good as my dog. IMHO, he was hired because the FAA had enough of flight hiring inexperienced Chief's. that is one major reason why I want the LCC deal to go through.

The AA Flight Department has needed a complete flushing for 20 years. As I said in a previous post, I believe the entire TWA FLT DEP should have sent all of the DFW staff back to the line. Personally, I've gotten real tired of endless mispelled, badly formatted, incorrect and revised 3 times, company bulletins that some hack at DFW screwed up in between playing rounds of 9 square Suduko during their typical 10:30am-3:15 "workday".

TH's latest post proves my point. "Douggie is in it for himself" No S%%t genius.

I could care less if he likes me or my fellow pilots. If I want a real friend, I'll dress my dog in a manager's suit.


The current VP of ops was the St Loius Chief pilot. Then he was promoted to Head Company Negotiating commitee. He and John Conrad. From there he was promoted to VP of Ops.
Since that time he has blown so much smoke up our #@* about cannon shot growth, IPADS next week, contract in weeks not months. It's just sad to see someone who's been at AA that long get fooled everytime by this management team. Sad. He has done nothing, nothing in his tenure the last 2+ years. He says he's 100% behind Tom Hortons stand alone plan. I am sure he is a nice man and probably a super grandfather. But he has done nothing. He has stood in his office while Rome is burning.
He should retire. He is a fool.
The FAA has nothing to do with VP Ops selection. John Hale replaced "The Clerk" Hetterman, the most spineless do nothing CP we've ever seen.
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John Hale replaced "The Clerk" Hetterman, the most spineless do nothing CP we've ever seen.

How many have you worked for?
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
How many have you worked for?
More than you!
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"The FAA has nothing to do with VP Ops selection. John Hale replaced "The Clerk" Hetterman, the most spineless do nothing CP we've ever seen. "


Just tying bits and pieces of intel from different sources. Of course they don't officially have anything to do with the hiring of the VP.

Maybe they didn't, but the current jr VP birdman was told by a senior VP fine collector that he was "out" of the running. After lunch with OurPay, he as called later by the Senior VP fine collector and congratulated on his promotion to Chief iPad cheerleader.

Ourpay was never that smart or a good leader. He was forced by somebody to make a change.

Maybe Tomahawk could tell us the brilliance of making a Domestic FO a Chief Pilot where they fly B777's. I'm sure the questions about Siberian diverts were fielded with the utmost knowledge. Same went for a clueless fool at a tropical crewbase. That kind of stuff got the Federales attention and enough was enough.

Oh, and also, ask Tomahawk how close AA got to the Federales OKC guillotine.
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