Tell Me Doug Isn't Looking For a Free Ride
06-19-2012, 02:12 PM
#21
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The bottom line here is that the company is indeed in a far better position now than either was before the merger. The East would have been gone and AWA would have had to find another partner to merge with. If there was a single SLI and a joint contract both pilot groups would have benefitted from this. Instead, we have management as the sole winners in this contest.
With an AA/US merger both pilot groups (all 3 if you count US as 2) will benefit eventually. The SLI procedure is straightforward and the joint contract is covered by the APA term sheet. It may not be an instant win for the pilots since this term sheet is concessionary by in the long run, say 5 years from date of merger, it will be a good thing for all.
I still only have this as a 75% chance of going through.
With an AA/US merger both pilot groups (all 3 if you count US as 2) will benefit eventually. The SLI procedure is straightforward and the joint contract is covered by the APA term sheet. It may not be an instant win for the pilots since this term sheet is concessionary by in the long run, say 5 years from date of merger, it will be a good thing for all.
I still only have this as a 75% chance of going through.
06-19-2012, 02:39 PM
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I think the odds of an AA LCC merger happening in BC are pretty slim. AA is financing their way through it with their own money and don't want to be acquired. AA will, one way or another, secure labor agreements 20% Cheaper than Parker. Horton will, successfully I believe, convince the UCC to allow AA to exit with these cheaper agreements and then pursue merger partners that may or may not include merging with LCC.
06-19-2012, 03:15 PM
#23
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I think the odds of an AA LCC merger happening in BC are pretty slim. AA is financing their way through it with their own money and don't want to be acquired. AA will, one way or another, secure labor agreements 20% Cheaper than Parker. Horton will, successfully I believe, convince the UCC to allow AA to exit with these cheaper agreements and then pursue merger partners that may or may not include merging with LCC.
06-19-2012, 05:03 PM
#24
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The bottom line here is that the company is indeed in a far better position now than either was before the merger. The East would have been gone and AWA would have had to find another partner to merge with. If there was a single SLI and a joint contract both pilot groups would have benefitted from this. Instead, we have management as the sole winners in this contest.
With an AA/US merger both pilot groups (all 3 if you count US as 2) will benefit eventually. The SLI procedure is straightforward and the joint contract is covered by the APA term sheet. It may not be an instant win for the pilots since this term sheet is concessionary by in the long run, say 5 years from date of merger, it will be a good thing for all.
I still only have this as a 75% chance of going through.
With an AA/US merger both pilot groups (all 3 if you count US as 2) will benefit eventually. The SLI procedure is straightforward and the joint contract is covered by the APA term sheet. It may not be an instant win for the pilots since this term sheet is concessionary by in the long run, say 5 years from date of merger, it will be a good thing for all.
I still only have this as a 75% chance of going through.
06-19-2012, 08:21 PM
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No he is management or AirCon. Tramahawk is not a pilot for American Airlines. He lied about it. He agreed to call himself an industry analyst.
BlueHorshoe says book away from American Airlines June 22, 2012.
Unless the Dallas wimp base votes for this POS turd that AMR floats. I'd rather see a liquidated AA than to see Tramahawk and his beloved Tom Horton and John Hale (coolaid drinking VP Ops Chief pilot) exit as a stand alone and reap massive stock options. that is until the stock tanks on exit.
I've got enough in savings. I'll enjoy watching this ship sink, with AMR mis-management onboard!
BlueHorshoe says book away from American Airlines June 22, 2012.
Unless the Dallas wimp base votes for this POS turd that AMR floats. I'd rather see a liquidated AA than to see Tramahawk and his beloved Tom Horton and John Hale (coolaid drinking VP Ops Chief pilot) exit as a stand alone and reap massive stock options. that is until the stock tanks on exit.
I've got enough in savings. I'll enjoy watching this ship sink, with AMR mis-management onboard!
06-20-2012, 02:10 AM
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No he is management or AirCon. Tramahawk is not a pilot for American Airlines. He lied about it. He agreed to call himself an industry analyst.
BlueHorshoe says book away from American Airlines June 22, 2012.
Unless the Dallas wimp base votes for this POS turd that AMR floats. I'd rather see a liquidated AA than to see Tramahawk and his beloved Tom Horton and John Hale (coolaid drinking VP Ops Chief pilot) exit as a stand alone and reap massive stock options. that is until the stock tanks on exit.
I've got enough in savings. I'll enjoy watching this ship sink, with AMR mis-management onboard!
BlueHorshoe says book away from American Airlines June 22, 2012.
Unless the Dallas wimp base votes for this POS turd that AMR floats. I'd rather see a liquidated AA than to see Tramahawk and his beloved Tom Horton and John Hale (coolaid drinking VP Ops Chief pilot) exit as a stand alone and reap massive stock options. that is until the stock tanks on exit.
I've got enough in savings. I'll enjoy watching this ship sink, with AMR mis-management onboard!
Secondly, you don't have a clue as to who I am any more than I know what you do. Beside, I don't have to prove myself to you to make you feel better or worse.
06-20-2012, 03:40 AM
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I can't say I'm all too excited about this merger since it's going to be paid for in part by US employees. We (west) will get an hourly pay raise, but lose most of the good things in our contract to pay for American pilot's retirement. That being said I understand that in the long run I will benefit because it will create a stronger airline.
From an American pilot perspective, you'd have to be a fool not to support this merger. Parker for all of his faults is leaps and bounds above current AA management. The combined carrier will be far stronger than either standing alone. If it goes to arbitration, the American pilots because of their better contract and widebodies will take the upper spots in the seniority integration.
So Tomahawk are you a fool or am I missing some hidden reason or agenda on your part?
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From an American pilot perspective, you'd have to be a fool not to support this merger. Parker for all of his faults is leaps and bounds above current AA management. The combined carrier will be far stronger than either standing alone. If it goes to arbitration, the American pilots because of their better contract and widebodies will take the upper spots in the seniority integration.
So Tomahawk are you a fool or am I missing some hidden reason or agenda on your part?
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I agree with you that this will make a stronger carrier, but really will that benefit us? We (both East and West pilots) are flying at a solvent, economically viable carrier. And yet we are being forced into concessions -- like you said, to fund the AA pilots' retirement. Doesn't sound right to me... Let them fund their own retirement... I'm afraid we are taking five steps backwards and we'll never recover.
But, then again, what do I know -- I support the NIC, AOL, and I voted for Eric (so obviously I'm too idealistic, and don't see the "big picture"
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