Originally Posted by cactiboss

You are the one that needs to pay attention. Is usapa parked per the nmb as of today? yes or no? The NMB is getting an update on what is going on, they are not involved in usapa/lcc talks. This is far from usapa negotiating a contract under the auspices of the NMB.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

I still don't think USAPA is "discussing the issues" (that being the APA/U CLA), just present in the hope of being allowed to discuss the issues.

I've yet to hear of any airline CEO who willingly hands over more money to his pilots unless he has to, so Parker is no different then anyone else in that. Additionally, USAPA has selected the strategy of intransegence and you expect a reward from Parker for that, for preventing him from merging his 2 airlines ?

Well............if you say so.

While I understand the frustration with having another union negotiate your future by default, I think formally letting USAPA into the mix with their track record would have tanked the deal.........which of course, is what USAPA/East would prefer, because...........well, let's face it, they are all about tanking deals less they get virtually all of their demands. From my understanding, half the U pilots (the west) don't even consider USAPA their union anyway and so don't seem so bristled at the thought of APA moving the ball there forward. Perhaps not as forward as desired, but considering the situation at U, better then USAPA tyranny in perpituity.

Don't worry, if USAPA isn't allowed to alter the AA/U equation, I'd expect a lawsuit to be filed against the APA, Parker and perhaps even baby huey.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

What's in a word? Are they permanently parked? If we don't merger with AA and we get a ruling from Judge Silver you don't think we will get a contract? Never is a long time.

I'm paying attention, your anger is blinding you.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

USAPA was not there at the start and I understand that. What I hear now is that they are there now but not as an equal partner. Parker has said he had to get started with the APA first, but is one board with USAPA being a party as long as the bottom dollar amount is met.

Your line about tanking deals unless the east gets what they want is B.S. Save it for the westies. The most complaints I hear is from the west. Remember the west guy on here saying that the APA is losing their support?

What I'm saying is that I think it would be a good idea for the APA to listen to US pilots. Take the E190 rate. Why would the APA accept that low of a rate and come up with another 2 million in concessions when jetBlue's rate is about $20 hr more!?

As I said, I expect the AA pilots to look after themselves, but US pilots have a lot of experience dealing with Parker, Hemmingway and Glass. Maybe you guys don't really know everything...........

Originally Posted by cactiboss

Why was the term sheet specifically set up for the apa to take over asap, something never before seen in a merger? You are a big boy, you should be able to figure it out. You are correct on experience dealing with Doug, I started a thread on the very subject of good things on the west contract that needed to be shared with the apa. It's hard for the apa to take us seriously when usapa sends the idiots to speak for us, diorio and the note taker, embarrassing to say the least