justjack

I believe that Delta has already negotiated a better contract than this one. To sign a SIX year deal with Parker is insane- it means that you will be working under this contract for MUCH longer than six years. I can see taking this deal, at this point but why not learn from past mistakes with Parker. When pilots are already negotiating better contracts, why get locked in for possibly ten years.

Flyby1206

Yea, sorry I understood what you meant to say after I posted that.

eaglefly

Well, I guess all this AA stuff is a smokescreen then. Considering all the cash AMR will have upon exit, almost certainly a large and eager network of those willing to invest and VERY competitive labor costs, even if U and DAL hook up, don't expect AA to crumble for many years. They could go 5-10 years easy, if you ask me. Again, if DAL blows their wad on U, it will take them out of the running for Jet Blue and probably Alaska too. NO WAY, would Delta get all of U's NYC ops at JFK and LGA and THEN be awarded Jet Blue's as well. NO WAY.

Again, this IS the preferred scenario anyway. It's certainly Tomahawks dream and it could be reality, IF AMR came to their senses and re-evaluated how they see their employees. Let's wait and see, shall we ?

eaglefly

I'll comment on this at some point in the future, but not now.

eaglefly

No biggie.........I can also see where you're coming from on this. I believe the next 6-18 months will see the last dance of consolidation among the players. Things are shall we say, "fluid" right now. I do like what DAL is doing, putting less dependence on RJ's and streamlining their feed. Of course, I like it for job security, but in reality, looking forward, I think it's a shrewd move. They'll be least likely to face disruption by feed providers who might not be able to meet their obligations due to lack of pilots and thus their network is less at risk for service decline.

That's what concerns me most about One World and AMR's hard on for RJ's. I think their timing is 180 degrees out of synch for the future and it could become a major miscalculation if the OW network is loaded up on small jets, but no pilots. Any correction then, will cost way more then minimization of the problem now.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

cactiboss

I think you are not understanding my point, I am not anti amr merge. I am saying that a merge is coming to usair and it doesn't have to be amr. The amr merge is preferred by everyone in the industry except amr management and usapa, and you are naive to think Parker doesn't have a plan b.

R57 relay

Negotiating Advisory Committee Update

Details Created on Saturday, 26 May 2012 07:05
Last week the Negotiating Advisory Committee (NAC) participated in meetings with the NMB, APA and US Airways Management.
On Tuesday, Gary Hummel, Roland Wilder and Paul DiOrio met with the National Mediation Board, Mediator Terri Brown and Director of Mediation Services Larry Gibbons. We were invited to respond to the Company’s report on the progress of our dispute with them, and to indicate how the Board could assist the parties in resolving our dispute. We informed them that lawyers for US Airways and USAPA were resuming their discussions in Phoenix this week regarding, among other things, equal participation at the negotiating table between APA, USAPA and US Airways Management. We committed to report the results of those discussions to the Board. Following the meeting, Roland and Paul traveled to Phoenix to join negotiations with the NAC, APA and US Airways Management.




Is being it painful being as you are?

eaglefly

Perhaps I didn't get your message then. I understood you to say that Parker told you Delta is going to "fly in and take us off the table". Most U pilots on this forum are bending over backward to remind me just what a lying snake Parker is and now apparently this statement is golden, just because he said this to the pilots ?

Well, O.K.

At any rate, so your point is that if AA keeps exclusivity and U remains out there (unmerged), DAL will FIRST then take U away from AA,ecause to not do this would be too "destabilizing" for the industry ?

Couldn't they do that now ?

My point was that if DAL does this (flies in like batman and takes you off the table) thinking it will break AA's back, as I stated it just opens a clearer door for AA to go after Jet Blue and/or Alaska and AA could stand alone for years even if DAL did come after U. Funny, but I don't hear anything about Delta going after U. Bottom line is, a DAL/U merge won't destroy AA. Most all of the same analysts agree U needs AA more then AA needs U and I haven't heard any analysts talking about any DAL/U mergers, but perhaps Parker's keeping it under wraps except to his pilots ?

Personally, I think if Parker's plan B is hoping Delta knocks on the door with flowers, I think that's akin to the ugly girl sitting at home by the phone waiting for the stud school quarterback to call asking for a prom date. That statement is not about the pilots, but about the company and its competitive attractiveness and benefit to DAL as a suitor.

Again, if U was that valuable to DAL, you'd think they'd already make that move. Seems to me, they've got their plate full with all this aircraft acquisition and shuffling of flying from feeder to mainline going on to fly in and land on any tables in Pheonix. We must remember that an AA merger with U is far from a done deal (although they made some more moves today to further their interests) and while it does appear highly likely, we're not there yet.

If Parker swipes the ball from AMR, then in all likelyhood we'll have to live with what was negotiated.

eaglefly

Doesn't sound like USAPA actually has been given any participatory weight regarding negotiations, only that they are going to Pheonix to "discuss" being a part of them.

cactiboss

You are missing my point entirely. The point is If Horton is sucessful, the industry will respond. Dal supports this merger because it brings pricing discipline tO the whole industry. If Horton plan goes forward the industry will swiftly reply with dal/u likely.