eaglefly

Reminds me of the "80-80-80" flap about Eagle years ago. Aside from the fact AMR would laugh at Eagle ALPA for proposing something so ridiculous at the time, it was a concoction of about 5-10 pilots who made that up. Certain people with excess baggage and a grudge will toss anything into their stew in an attempt to improve its palatability.

Nothing new here, just a different chef. Virtually all the diners have left anyway.

Wingtips

Stop slamming Eagle, most guys at Eagle dont want AA planes, we just want things to start moving so we can all have a career and get out of Eagle. There are a select few, the guys that got hired with you, that are stuck here still, old, and want 90 seat planes to feel cool before they retire, they are a small minority. Most eagle guys are backing AA guys, and your battle.

FlySlow

(Hope you don't mind me re-arranging, to get points across easier).

1. I have the agreement in front of me, and this is absolutely laughable. Have you read it? "Duty of fair representation"...and they cannot even vote it down? Are you kidding?

2. DAL+ contracts...sorry, this will NOT happen, at least not for the first 6 years...and then, guess what, we'll be negotiating again...How long do you think it'll take?

3. For the record, IF you have read this document, it's easy to understand why Parker will be able to financially support the "promises" he made...Because the pilots will be paying for it all...yup, we want something, we have to give something else up...Cost consessions...


APA pilots do not have to vote on this agreement, did you know that? Well, they'll be voting, all right, but if they turn down the agreement with Parker, the agreement already calls for BINDING ARBITRATION...and already have the lead arbritrator name on the agreement. And guess what? The agreement already calls for a super fast arbritration: 60-90 days...So just don't even bother to vote! This is a done deal!

(The same 19 page agrement calls for this super fast arbitration numerous times throughout this document, having the same arbritrator named every time).

I was totally amazed that APA would have signed such an agreement, it would be better to let the judge break the contracts! Don't be fooled by the $172/group II pay that Parker is promising. (BTW, Parker and his team showed up in CLT for a USAPA meeting, and was all ga-ga over the $172 for group II capt. When they didn't get the standing ovation they expected/wanted, they were wondering why? They were told..."well, 172/hr is good, however, it's all in the details"...And these details are eye opening!)

BTW, hearing from APA pilots first hand that they know they're about to get royally screwed, and there is already talk about dumping APA and switching unions to ALPA, Teamsters etc. so as to be able to re-open this contract. When one hear this even before the ink is dry on the document, one has to ask...hmmm.

If this agreement stands, which I believe it will, we'll be taking pay, and/or benefit cuts within six (6) months of the merger...yup, sometime by next summer! We can keep our 172/hr for grp II capt., but we gotta give something else. Vacation, per diem, sick time, retirement, and medical benefit are some items to start thinking about. What would you like to give up to keep 172/hr?

The only way for this NOT to happen, is for Parker to agree to modify some of the language. USAPA negotiating committee is involved at this point, and the East has Change of Control language that might/should give us some leverage. I'd personally like to get the West's rigs, I want to work less, not more!

Remember one thing, there is one person that want this agreement more than most pilots: Doug Parker!

nimslow

He didn't slam Eagle. He was comparing the "hired, not acquired", to "80-80-80". If you don't know what 80-80-80 was, find a friendly "old" guy Captain, and ask them about it.

For the record,I never once saw an "80-80-80" sticker or pin, and never heard anyone push it as a good idea during my Eagle days. Nor have I ever seen a "hired not acquired" pin or sticker at AA.

Wingtips

Its because 1% of the pilots wanted that, some guys are stuck here and get jollies at the idea of still feeling like mainline pilots. Most of us want to get out and be at AA or another airline that owns their flying. Eagle is not out to get AA, I wish guys would not think that. We just fly what we are given, and hope we dont have to furlough or give up our already low QOL.

eaglefly

It was anything BUT slamming Eagle, but she's a highly emotional person prone to flying off the handle. This post is all the more ironic in that she's posted here advocating retaliation against other pilots at Eagle for exercising contractual rights fought for and that soon may disappear (aside from advocating other illegal job actions elsewhere) and if anything, THAT is "slamming" Eagle pilots.

I never saw an "80-80-80" badge/sticker, but talked to those who did and as I said, what 10 pilots do out of thousands, isn't a blanket position. Have never even heard of the "hired, not acquired" badge/sticker here until this recent post.

eaglefly

Please do us at AA a BIG favor and DO NOT come to this airline. I can confidently say based on your posts, you're NOT the type of person we need.

D B Cooper

I'm guessing Eagle doesn't want that type either.

babs

agreed +++1

What

If Wingtips is a hottie I bet most of you would love to have her in your right seat and would chase her around on your long overnight buying her dinner and wanting to "hang out"