More Bacon

Wow--so all they have to do is say "we're increasing revenue by a billion."

That was easy.

buddies8

Yeap your right. Your avatar is the best to display for these sentiments. Being that ALPA caused the mess.

avi8tor4life

You mean the pilots represented by Alpa caused this mess. Big difference. They decided. They turned them down.

Clear Right

Full disclosure up front, I'm a B6 guy. Let's just say hypothetically AMR can't afford to buy JetBlue and they want to increase revenue by feeding their international market in JFK. They can't increase their domestic traffic at JFK because it is slot restricted. They can't add the Delta swarm of RJs at JFK because again they have no more slots, what's the problem with a B6 Codeshare at JFK alone to add high dollar revenue for AMR. Couldn't you put some scope restrictions on JFK with regard to a B6 partnership and increase your international feed...just saying, aren't you restricting profits when you can't organically grow your AMR traffic due to slot restrictions, but you could add revenue with a well defined Codeshare.

eaglefly

AMR basically wants unrestricted codesharing which means the end of the majority of AA pilots careers.

Flyby1206

AA doesn't make any real revenue on a Codeshare flight. Revenue isn't shared like in the BA/AA joint venture agreement.

If B6 did all the domestic connections for JFK then that would free up a bunch of AA slots that they could use for international expansion, but overall I agree with eaglefly and it could be a bad situation for AA/AE domestic ops in JFK

Clear Right

This is the problem I have with ALPA at B6. Think for a moment outside of the Legacy CBA mentality and put yourself in managements shoes. Just think of this as an intellectual exercise. Sometimes we don't see the forest through the trees because we don't trust management and we are worried about job protection, when the reality is you could be increasing jobs through more international traffic. Just bear with me and think about this scenario.

You can't increase domestic traffic because you are slot restricted at JFK. But your most valued revenue comes from your International JFK traffic. You want to add seat capacity at JFK with new 787s. But you need to fill the seats, so you Codeshare with JetBlue, not for domestic Codeshare profits, but to fill your International seat, adding much needed revenue.

Just don't allow the unrestricted Codeshare. Restrict it in negotiations to only Slot restricted airports where AMR can not add it's own domestic capacity. Everybody wins....maybe?

Flyby1206

I agree 100%. In slot restricted airports like JFK it actually hurts AA to use a valuable slot for RJ service to an east coast city just so they can connect the dots for international pax. I could see AA still flying routes like LAX-JFK and MIA-JFK using widebodies, but stuff like JFK-BOS/DCA/ORD/RDU could be better served by B6 E190s. You would still have to figure out the issue with transferring pax between terminals quickly, but that can be accomplished.

Something like this would definitely require heavy duty contractual language, but it can be done through a CBA

Tomahawk58

Oh wait, haven't you just described Mr Parker's position. He states publicly that he sees another 1.5-2.0 Billion in cost-savings and revenue increase all the while guaranteeing no furloughs, DAL-Plus payrates, putting a pony in every stable, etc.

Not many here taking him to task for his statement other than myself and a couple of other folks.....Hmmmmm!

Tomahawk58

The even greater irony or maybe it's hypocrisy is the willingness to accept Mr Parker at face value for his public statements even when his own house is divided, while deriding Mr Horton and his new team who's only been in the top job less then 6 months.

So compare the positions stated with the tenure. Tell us publicly why Mr Parker didn't offer his own team DAL rates 7 years ago? He's certainly been content to take the windfall resulting from the lack of combined contracts at US. Just what are the current pay rate differences between the West and East guys?

But many of you see him as the future savior of AA.....I'm not buying the hype.