Leonidas speaks on the merger
04-27-2012, 05:55 AM
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Isn't there something about the way our check airman are payed too? I'm not a check airman anymore, but I thought I remembered one of the Sim instructors saying something. Anyways......
04-27-2012, 06:02 AM
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04-27-2012, 06:07 AM
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Well, someone has to be a voice of reason. USAPA certainly isn't.
This is about having APA informed on what the West contract has. There have already been contacts made with APA, it is up to APA to follow through if they want to. Parker's minions certainly know the West contract and I am sure they would be happy to slide some concessions disguised as improvements into the APA Term Sheet. As the update states, Leonidas is an observer in this but we stand ready to intervene through the courts should USAPA try to pull more shenanigans. With the ruling on the Declaratory Judgement coming soon from Judge Silver most of the seniority list questions should go away.
This is about having APA informed on what the West contract has. There have already been contacts made with APA, it is up to APA to follow through if they want to. Parker's minions certainly know the West contract and I am sure they would be happy to slide some concessions disguised as improvements into the APA Term Sheet. As the update states, Leonidas is an observer in this but we stand ready to intervene through the courts should USAPA try to pull more shenanigans. With the ruling on the Declaratory Judgement coming soon from Judge Silver most of the seniority list questions should go away.
I agree that the west contract has some great things. I think that with the new rest rules we really need the long rate rig, and that has been TAed with USAPA. I just think it needs to be done through USAPA and we are starting to see the west finally represented.
04-27-2012, 06:21 AM
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AIP = Agreement in Principle.
04-27-2012, 11:27 AM
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Good luck to you all.
04-27-2012, 03:03 PM
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11. 78 hr Lineholder guarantee vs. 64 hr at AA
12. Per Diem $2.00 Dom/$2.20 intl vs $1.80 Dom/$2.00 intl at AA
04-28-2012, 04:56 PM
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Plusses and minusses to every contract. And all AA issues are subject to change in the 1113 process -
1. More vacation? AWA is better early, 3 days better at 20 yrs LOS, AA is better after 25 yrs AA's.
2. Full STD and 60% LTD til age 65? Not 100% sure on your terminology but LTD is 55%, up to $6000/month. Current pay rates makes AA's LTD about 10% more valuable than AWA's.
3. More vacation days? Depends upon the LOS. AWA is better with less LOS, AA is better with greater LOS. It's never 10 days better at AWA.
4. Training pay? How is AWA's better, or what do you think AA doesn't have?
5. Better sick accrual and sick bank twice as big as AWA's. No penalty in sick accural if you've called in sick that month(what is that about?!?!)
6. 100% deadhead pay? What percentage do you think AA is???
7. AA's retirement, even in the company's 1113 proposal, is better.
8. Seven months have 13 days off, five have 12.
9. AA has lower monthly hourly limits. Some think that's a plus, some would take that as a negative. 100 hrs on reserve? Never at AA.
10. Pay.
04-29-2012, 09:45 AM
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Plusses and minusses to every contract. And all AA issues are subject to change in the 1113 process -
1. More vacation? AWA is better early, 3 days better at 20 yrs LOS, AA is better after 25 yrs AA's.
2. Full STD and 60% LTD til age 65? Not 100% sure on your terminology but LTD is 55%, up to $6000/month. Current pay rates makes AA's LTD about 10% more valuable than AWA's.
3. More vacation days? Depends upon the LOS. AWA is better with less LOS, AA is better with greater LOS. It's never 10 days better at AWA.
4. Training pay? How is AWA's better, or what do you think AA doesn't have?
5. Better sick accrual and sick bank twice as big as AWA's. No penalty in sick accural if you've called in sick that month(what is that about?!?!)
6. 100% deadhead pay? What percentage do you think AA is???
7. AA's retirement, even in the company's 1113 proposal, is better.
8. Seven months have 13 days off, five have 12.
9. AA has lower monthly hourly limits. Some think that's a plus, some would take that as a negative. 100 hrs on reserve? Never at AA.
10. Pay.
1. More vacation? AWA is better early, 3 days better at 20 yrs LOS, AA is better after 25 yrs AA's.
2. Full STD and 60% LTD til age 65? Not 100% sure on your terminology but LTD is 55%, up to $6000/month. Current pay rates makes AA's LTD about 10% more valuable than AWA's.
3. More vacation days? Depends upon the LOS. AWA is better with less LOS, AA is better with greater LOS. It's never 10 days better at AWA.
4. Training pay? How is AWA's better, or what do you think AA doesn't have?
5. Better sick accrual and sick bank twice as big as AWA's. No penalty in sick accural if you've called in sick that month(what is that about?!?!)
6. 100% deadhead pay? What percentage do you think AA is???
7. AA's retirement, even in the company's 1113 proposal, is better.
8. Seven months have 13 days off, five have 12.
9. AA has lower monthly hourly limits. Some think that's a plus, some would take that as a negative. 100 hrs on reserve? Never at AA.
10. Pay.
i.e. I was told your disability only lasts a few years where ours last's until age 65 and it is more than $6k as it is based on 60% of line average.
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