APA/US Air term sheet ATTN Furloughees!!!
04-24-2012, 05:05 AM
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APA/US Air term sheet ATTN Furloughees!!!
Gentlemen read your email and the LOU that is on the APA website(I would have included the entire LOU, but it requests to remain confidential and not for distributuion)
Send a sound off to your reps. I have emailed the APA and looking for clarification if that means we Furloughees lose recall rights. How WRONG would that be. Not even a Staple job. Not even sure if they could do that. Just a bizarre proposal. not sure how we are any cost to them. Might be a setup for a staple job. you know, be happy you got anything. Starting to feel even worse than TWA guys, except for the TWA guys that are now on furlough. They'd be getting it twice. Politics SUK
- Furlough protection will be extended down to the most junior active pilot on the property on the effective date.
Send a sound off to your reps. I have emailed the APA and looking for clarification if that means we Furloughees lose recall rights. How WRONG would that be. Not even a Staple job. Not even sure if they could do that. Just a bizarre proposal. not sure how we are any cost to them. Might be a setup for a staple job. you know, be happy you got anything. Starting to feel even worse than TWA guys, except for the TWA guys that are now on furlough. They'd be getting it twice. Politics SUK
04-24-2012, 09:26 AM
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Yep.. Half their list will be gone by the end of this decade. (which is what happens when you haven't hired since the early 90's)
04-24-2012, 10:39 AM
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I don't think this addresses those of us already furloughed. My guess is a staple, behind ALL the others.
04-24-2012, 06:51 PM
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That's the way I read it: if you're an active pilot, you'll be offered furlough protection (and we all know how rock-solid that is) should there be a need to reduce pilots as a result of the supposed merger.
I don't think this addresses those of us already furloughed. My guess is a staple, behind ALL the others.
I don't think this addresses those of us already furloughed. My guess is a staple, behind ALL the others.
04-25-2012, 04:37 AM
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Isn't the "Furlough Protection" simply a no furlough clause? This would mean no furloughs to active pilots.
You can't furlough someone already on furlough. I don't think this means current furloughees won't be included in the transaction. You'd just remain on furlough status.
Did APA tell you something different?
On another note, I believe the number of active APA pilots to be integrated into the new list. The remaining (bottom 1600ish--or whatever that number is) to be stapled. This would result in active pilots being stapled while the senior most furloughed folks (who have bypassed recall) to be integrated. Just my best guess.
You can't furlough someone already on furlough. I don't think this means current furloughees won't be included in the transaction. You'd just remain on furlough status.
Did APA tell you something different?
On another note, I believe the number of active APA pilots to be integrated into the new list. The remaining (bottom 1600ish--or whatever that number is) to be stapled. This would result in active pilots being stapled while the senior most furloughed folks (who have bypassed recall) to be integrated. Just my best guess.
04-25-2012, 05:53 AM
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It's very doubtful that any seniority list would be re-ordered. If you're still furloughed because you bypassed recall and have 500 active pilots below you then you have to wait to be recalled but when that happens you would take your rightful place on the list and still have those same 500 active pilots below you.
04-25-2012, 06:42 AM
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There have been mergers where furloughed pilots were placed above active pilots. That of course was the stumbling block with US/AWA and the arbitrator decided to staple anyone that was furloughed, even US guys with 16 years of active service were stapled behind guys at AWA that had just finished indoc.
If this merger happens it will be up to a new arbitrator, unless some miracle happens and we can actually agree to a new SL. I'd put the odds of that at somewhere around .0009%.
Good luck to us all. All the warm fuzzies will wear off pretty quick when we start talking seniority.
If this merger happens it will be up to a new arbitrator, unless some miracle happens and we can actually agree to a new SL. I'd put the odds of that at somewhere around .0009%.
Good luck to us all. All the warm fuzzies will wear off pretty quick when we start talking seniority.
04-25-2012, 09:02 AM
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So those 16 year guys weren't furloughed? Stop trying to scare these guys, the usair situation has nothing in common with the american situation. No seniority list will be re-ordered, guys that bypass recall still keep their system spot and that is what will be considered during sli. Those who's number's can't hold a job at pid will probably go to the bottom, but with that there is also good news. For one AMR want's to furlough 400 more pilots which will delay anybody coming back for 4 more years, Parker's plan for a combined company would create 600 pilot positions the very first year, with retirements over 2000 pilot's leave the combined airline the first 4 years.
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