R57 relay

Do you have a reading comprehension problem, or is it something else?

cactiboss

You know very well you worded that post so that they would think a 16 year guy got placed below a new hire, a scare tactic without any background. Believe me the AA guys were all around in 2005 and know very well what was going on at usair

R57 relay

I clearly stated that a furloughed pilot with 16 yos was placed behind a pilot just out of indoc. I did think that Nicolau was correct that every merger has it's own set of circumstances and in that case I disagreed with his placement. So did the arbitrator that did PA/NA.

Do they know we were massively understaffed and that had we been staffed at AWA ratios they would have been recalled? That over 200 had been recalled when the award came out? That Nic actually used the 2007 list instead of the one from 2005?

Would you like to see every 777 Capt, F/O and IRO slot go to AA like they did with the Nic?

eaglefly

I read USAPA's letter to the pilots. I found it interesting their description of the process and the SLI would be done by M-B via arbitration absent mutual agreement.

Considering the fact USAPA believes binding arbitration to be.........well, only a "suggestion", I wondered why they even would include that as a consideration ?

cactiboss

So what? Nicolau was wrong in placing 517 east guys on top when you had less than 300 total widebody positions. Are you really comparing pa/na to our merger? Plz.
Again you wanted Nic. to give you the benefit of post merger improvements. As a matter of fact usapa now argues that very same point in federal court. I have news for you, Arbitrators have wide latitude and can do as they please.
I would like to see a relative position integration where everybody bidding horsepower stays the same. I would think that a wide body fence (aircraft not bases) for the AA guys would be appropriate.

R57 relay

Have your read the PAA merger? I got it from none other than you candidate for VP of USAPA. He made some great comparisons years ago. Had Nic followed along the same lines, I don't think we would be here right now. Remember, remove one link in the chain.

Read the Nicolau award. See if you can find where he says he used the 2007 seniority list because it "better reflected the merged airline", and get back to me.

I have always said that the method of protecting the east widebody flying was screwy. You guys don't like to talk about anything being screwy with the Nic so it won't appear to undermine your windfall. I think it was unfair to your top pilots.

So, you don't want to see a Nic style slotting, because everyone's bidding horsepower did not stay the same. If it is going to be a relative position slotting(no reason to think otherwise) I'd like to see straight relative position, with fences to protect AA's vast widebody flying. The reason I say that is that many guys don't want to fly the widebodies, and when you slot by equipment it gives some super seniority that they can us on other fleets. Like it did for the 517 east pilots if they wanted to bid PHX.

R57 relay

One of my first questions to USAPA was "If we are sucessessful with this and then merge with AA, what is to keep them from doing it to us?" I've never gotten a good answer, but I always thought it was kind of we will cross that bridge when we get there.

They know that DOH in our C&BL is binding on no other carrier and what MB requires. DOH should have never been in the C&BLs period.

cactiboss

Well I thought this is what I said, your reasoning behind this way of doing it is sound. If Nic. were applied to this merger then amr would get the first 3500 positions. Just like Nicolau said, each merger turns on it's own facts.

Rudder1

Hey, look everybody! Relay and Cacti are in an east/west squabble again!!! can we make this a sticky?

GQpilot

Good point. MB came out after the US/AWA merger. If we go to binding arbitration now, get a load of this, it will actually be binding. USAPA won't be able to play the delay game again.