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Old 12-20-2011, 01:17 PM
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Jet service coming back to Mathis Field Standard-Times

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Jet aircraft scheduled service will return to San Angelo at the end of January.

American Eagle Airlines announced Tuesday it will replace the ATR-72 turboprops it has been using for more than a year on the San Angelo to Dallas-Fort Worth route with Embraer EMB-140 and EMB-145 regional jets, the same aircraft that were used on the route before the ATR service began. The airline, which is part of the AMR Corporation Chapter 11 bankruptcy filed at the end of November. It terminates leases on the ATRs used on the San Angelo-DFW route at the end January, said American Eagle spokesman Ed Martelle.

The jets carry about 44 to 50 passengers, 14 to 20 fewer than the retiring ATRs, meaning that if the airline maintains four flights a day, the daily flight capacity out of San Angelo will be reduced by 64 to 80 seats each way.

"We don't believe that's going to be an issue," Martelle said. "The ATRs weren't flying full to begin with. It's not like there going to be a huge wave of people who want to get in or out and can't."We will easily be able to handle passenger demand," he said.

Flight times will be shorter by about 15 to 20 minutes, with the jet rated at 515 mph cruising speed and the ATR rated at 318 mph.

Martell said he could not disclose any information on changes to fares, but he said, "We'll be competitive."

On Tuesday, a return flight booked for a midweek date three weeks in advance cost $112, including $14 in taxes and fees but not including charges for luggage.

The adjusted schedule for the jet service after Jan. 31 will be available on American Eagle's website starting Sunday, he said.

To change the service, the airline has repositioned five aircraft from Chicago and Los Angeles to Dallas, he said.

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At least the lines will be great in Dallas before defication hits the rotary oscillator.
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Is it just me, or is this another stupid idea by management in replacing a much more efficient aircraft with greater capacity with that is less in almost every way?
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It's a way to get cheaper lease rates, or new more efficient TP's. AMR may look to have this flying done by a regional that makes their own payments on a TP. The EMB-135/140's are next IMO.
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Eagle pilots.......does this mean that they're getting rid of all ATRs?
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Eagle pilots.......does this mean that they're getting rid of all ATRs?
Nope.....they are closing the DFW ATR Base and expediting the return of those ATR's that had leases coming up. The MIA and SJU bases will continue as is.......FOR NOW.....check back tomorrow for changes.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Eagle pilots.......does this mean that they're getting rid of all ATRs?
Not immediately, but they will eventually all go. Before bankruptcy, we had already been told the ATRs were on their way out as their leases expired. Also, we knew that when we were to be divested, the ATRs would start disappearing Jan 2012.
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When UAL was in Chapt11 they played high stakes poker with planes. They would fly them to the desert and tell the leasing companies to either accept less money or come get your plane. Usually they would agree to less because they knew the judge would allow UAL to sever the lease immediately. Then UAL would take the plane back to a hub once a new agreement was in place.
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When UAL was in Chapt11 they played high stakes poker with planes. They would fly them to the desert and tell the leasing companies to either accept less money or come get your plane. Usually they would agree to less because they knew the judge would allow UAL to sever the lease immediately. Then UAL would take the plane back to a hub once a new agreement was in place.
Wouldn't it be great to be able to do that?

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One difference is that you don't have a stifling, corrupt federal government standing over your shoulder telling you out of one side of their mouth, 'Oh, your industry is unregulated, you can fly that airplane anywhere you want', and out of the other side of their mouth saying 'oh, you can't do that, you'd violate the nature of anti-trust measures that are here to, a-hem, protect consumers..." If the feds operated like that with your personal vehicle (and they probably will, the way we're headed...), you'd only be able to drive your car between the hours of 9:45 am and 11:15, and then only for a maximum of 86% of the distance you actually need to drive''. In Reagan's words "..if a liberal can't tax it, they want to regulate it. If they can do neither, then it, they will want to abolish it altogether (what ever "it" is). The guy was right more often than not. Lord, save us from ourselves....
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