Value of USAir merger?
12-04-2011, 08:09 AM
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Sorry for the thread drifting. When SWA started code sharing with ATA, we were still under our very old contract. There were essentially no protections in regards to scope and code share. SC was elected president of SWAPA to make sure section 1 was improved. GK was showing some interest in expanding various agreements with at least Westjet and Volaris but our normally dormant pilot group woke up in time to make it the #1 issue with our latest contract. Our section 1 is weak in the near international area, but is otherwise very good. In other words, section 1 was earned.
'merican pilots, best of luck. I hope APA will show the court what little effect wages had on this bankruptcy as compared to debt and ineptness.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
'merican pilots, best of luck. I hope APA will show the court what little effect wages had on this bankruptcy as compared to debt and ineptness.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
12-04-2011, 08:27 AM
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Sorry for the thread drifting. When SWA started code sharing with ATA, we were still under our very old contract. There were essentially no protections in regards to scope and code share. SC was elected president of SWAPA to make sure section 1 was improved. GK was showing some interest in expanding various agreements with at least Westjet and Volaris but our normally dormant pilot group woke up in time to make it the #1 issue with our latest contract. Our section 1 is weak in the near international area, but is otherwise very good. In other words, section 1 was earned.
'merican pilots, best of luck. I hope APA will show the court what little effect wages had on this bankruptcy as compared to debt and ineptness.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
'merican pilots, best of luck. I hope APA will show the court what little effect wages had on this bankruptcy as compared to debt and ineptness.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
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12-04-2011, 08:45 AM
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It absolutely is. Except there is plenty in writing from SWAPA negotiators that have stated how strongly they've fought and continued to fight for scope as the top priority. Maybe they're lying, and that's what makes my statements speculation. But I've seen NOTHING in print from the SWA management side that says Herb or his successors "granted" SWAPA their scope because strong scope was part of management's strategy. That's what makes those statements wildly beyond speculation, and well into pure personal opinion.
Carl
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12-04-2011, 08:48 AM
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Sorry for the thread drifting. When SWA started code sharing with ATA, we were still under our very old contract. There were essentially no protections in regards to scope and code share. SC was elected president of SWAPA to make sure section 1 was improved. GK was showing some interest in expanding various agreements with at least Westjet and Volaris but our normally dormant pilot group woke up in time to make it the #1 issue with our latest contract. Our section 1 is weak in the near international area, but is otherwise very good. In other words, section 1 was earned.
Carl
12-04-2011, 08:52 AM
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Sorry for the thread drifting. When SWA started code sharing with ATA, we were still under our very old contract. There were essentially no protections in regards to scope and code share. SC was elected president of SWAPA to make sure section 1 was improved. GK was showing some interest in expanding various agreements with at least Westjet and Volaris but our normally dormant pilot group woke up in time to make it the #1 issue with our latest contract. Our section 1 is weak in the near international area, but is otherwise very good. In other words, section 1 was earned.
12-04-2011, 09:06 AM
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I am unconvinced that US Airways has the independent cash position to make a play for AMR right now. And on top of that the independent stability of US Airways itself is hanging on by a very thin thread. The internal problems beyond the root financials within Parker's house of cards are numerous. USAPA seems poised to burn the place down at any moment and all that makes me doubt that any major investment firms would want to get into bed with Parker on this deal. I may be very wrong, but as much as Parker would love to go for this right now I personally don't see it happening. I think a willful merger a few years post AA CH 11 is far more likely then anything happening today.
12-04-2011, 09:43 AM
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In fairness, this is pure speculation on your part. You or I have no idea whether this was Herb's driving force behind "granting" SWAPA the scope section they now enjoy. It is just as likely that scope came under attack during many of SWAPA's negotiations and SWAPA beat it back each time because SWAPA prioritizes scope above all else.
Again, pure speculation on your part.
Carl
Again, pure speculation on your part.
Carl
It absolutely is. Except there is plenty in writing from SWAPA negotiators that have stated how strongly they've fought and continued to fight for scope as the top priority. Maybe they're lying, and that's what makes my statements speculation. But I've seen NOTHING in print from the SWA management side that says Herb or his successors "granted" SWAPA their scope because strong scope was part of management's strategy. That's what makes those statements wildly beyond speculation, and well into pure personal opinion.
Carl
Carl
To be fair, if they say this about their management, they themselves are admitting that whatever scope protection they have is only because their management gave it to them, not because they beat anything back.
12-04-2011, 10:39 AM
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But, wasn't it the Southwest pilots who during their merger with Air Tran, who said that it was useless to resist anything Herb wanted; that he always got what he wanted; that he was a tough, unyielding negotiator; and he and the rest of the SWA management team were the ultimate Yoda-like, winners?
Sorry for the thread drifting. When SWA started code sharing with ATA, we were still under our very old contract. There were essentially no protections in regards to scope and code share. SC was elected president of SWAPA to make sure section 1 was improved. GK was showing some interest in expanding various agreements with at least Westjet and Volaris but our normally dormant pilot group woke up in time to make it the #1 issue with our latest contract. Our section 1 is weak in the near international area, but is otherwise very good. In other words, section 1 was earned.
Carl
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