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07-26-2024, 08:42 AM

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tallpilot

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Can you elaborate?

Strong rumors of unpaid leaves and other furlough mitigation strategies. Planning says 1,000 pilots overstaffed for reduced capacity growth.

07-26-2024, 09:05 AM

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CRJJ

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Strong rumors of unpaid leaves and other furlough mitigation strategies. Planning says 1,000 pilots overstaffed for reduced capacity growth.

While UA/DL have new hire classes, I don’t get it

Then come January, back to madness in the training department with the XLRs and whatever other deliveries.

07-26-2024, 10:16 AM

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interesting

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Originally Posted by tallpilot

Strong rumors of unpaid leaves and other furlough mitigation strategies. Planning says 1,000 pilots overstaffed for reduced capacity growth.

This is interesting. Can you provide more detail/source? I'm not on Facebook. Thinking a long motorcycle trip by me might "help the company."

07-26-2024, 10:26 AM

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Driving three hours to catch a commute, repeating in reverse sounds absolutely awful even if single with no kids.

Long term, and I don't know how old the kids are, but I would seriously evaluate moving some extended family to a base and moving to a base. While not ideal initially, your QOL and sanity will go through the roof. Especially if you get on a wb and go reserve.

07-26-2024, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tallpilot

Strong rumors of unpaid leaves and other furlough mitigation strategies. Planning says 1,000 pilots overstaffed for reduced capacity growth.

If it is only 1,000 overstaffed then it sounds like just letting retirements do their thing should be enough mitigation alone.

07-26-2024, 10:38 AM

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I know an AA pilot that got his AME to put him on LTD for a year while he got counseling for stress related to life events at home.

07-26-2024, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joepilot50

If it is only 1,000 overstaffed then it sounds like just letting retirements do their thing should be enough mitigation alone.

It might be an over-winter thing? The XLR won't even be flying here for another year and really won't build to significant numbers until 2026, assuming no more delays for Airbus (so let's say 2027?).

They could also be looking at demand and forecasting next year to be weaker, so will cut block hours. Both DL and UA won't be able to magically create demand, so they will be in a similar situation if that pans out.

The company offering zero time lines doesn't cost them anything so no real downside if they don't need the staffing.

07-26-2024, 11:03 AM

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While UA/DL have new hire classes, I don’t get it

Then come January, back to madness in the training department with the XLRs and whatever other deliveries.

Because, despite their CEO's primarily being the one's who have come out and said there is too much domestic capacity, they're going to go right ahead and do exactly what they've planned all along. They're the one's who know what they're doing and have a "plan." It's the ULCC's that are screwing everything up and weakening their earnings. How horrible it is to actually have a little competition in these markets...

If AA sees demand falling off, then this is the right move and will make the airline more nimble. If it doesn't, they're ceding a ton of the market to them in fear of lower margins.

07-26-2024, 01:49 PM

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Sliceback

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1,000 overstaffed? When? Right now? This fall? Next spring? Retirements AND when the comparison is being done matters. Peak summer vs October? That's probably a 15% (?) percentage reduction in flying which is 2000+ pilots. October has always been the best month to bid reserve and hope you don't get called. Details matter on if the alleged 1,000 pilots overstaffed is true when is the stated time period and compared to what?

Retirements wil eat into that which is a great furlough protection plan.

Historically 5% below you gives you protection from small furloughs and 15% below you on the seniority list gets you big furlough protection. 9/11 the worst furloughed about 25%.

07-26-2024, 02:40 PM

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Strong rumors of unpaid leaves and other furlough mitigation strategies. Planning says 1,000 pilots overstaffed for reduced capacity growth.

Yeah I’m calling total BS on that. We are running out of reserves daily right now on the 320 fleet. Don’t believe me? Go take a look at APA reserve and see for yourself. They’ve barely been scraping by for the last two weeks. We are properly staffed. No more, no less.