ImSoSuss

ohh man, did not know that. Horrible

BrazilBusDriver

You don’t have to proffer OG or PM to suffer this fate. The 60 page APA reserve bible makes it clear that this can happen to those short call people foolish enough to proffer reserve preference (RF) on a day off during DOTC leading into a commutable RAP. They can take your 1100 or 1500 and turn it into 0200 just for you having the audacity to ask for a 3 day in open time.

Zach

This happened to me the 2nd time I did a PVR, and I called CS saying I can’t make it there for that RAP, and they adjusted It for me with no issue. I have since decided not to bother even though I’m commuting to SC.

Easyflier301

Don’t believe this is correct, please provide source.

I think you’re confusing a DOTC ballot (aka volunteering for OG/PR like you say) which is NOT the same as “participating in DOTC on your last DFP” which you would do via a PVR in order to have a better chance of being assigned on your first day of reserve. That means participating in the process where they farm out the next days trips (which is your first day of reserve) starting at 10am. That option is where they can assign you a different RAP if there are no trips left by the time they get to you.

will never get penalized like this for working OG/PR if you just use the DOTC ballot to start work on your -1 day and into your reserve block.

Easyflier301

incorrect. Read it again. Need to reserve preference (RF) for a trip AND put in a Proffer Volunteer Request (PVR), which makes you eligible for the DOTC process.

all this confusion is why I said I don’t recommend PVR in the first place 😂

should also add why “proffer” is a poor term to use when discussing what the company calls “preferencing” for trips…annoying because sometimes even the union uses it.

13pro

It’s 100% true. Reference is the PVR instructions on as pilots…

PVR has worked well for me. But I will only do it if I have an uncommutable RAP to start with. That way worst case is what I already have.

joepilot50

I think we are confusing multiple issues.

Asking for OG/PR and not getting any trips will not allow them to change your RAP. Your Day 1 RAP remains.

If you use PVR to voluntarily remove your Day 1 RAP to be processed in the LC/SC bucket vs the SC bucket, then you're opening yourself up for a different RAP if no trips come to you.

When I was commuting for my first 3 months here, I heavily leaned on the PVR process. I managed to snag trips that got me back on my last day of reserve either at 11 am, 1 PM, or 3 PM making it possible to commute home the same day. I was fortunate to never find myself in the commute the day prior and day after situation. Was always able to commute back home same day as my last day.

PVR can be huge for a commuter on SC. But certainly know the risks if you have a later Day 1 RAP. I always got the 5 am RAP, so the risk was minimal for me. Plus I wanted the 5 am RAP as a commuter to myself up for the last day and the 6 hour auto release. Always tried to grab the 2 am or 5 am RAP on the last day.

TallFlyer

This. Trying to get OG or PR on a day prior will not affect your Day 1 RAP, unless of course they give you a trip which overlaps said RAP, in which case that RAP is dropped and that whole pairing is OG/PR.

PVR for a Day 1 RAP is completely different, and is only to your advanatge if you like early (noncommutable) RAPs, because you have a high chance of getting that.

And both of these concepts are indepentent of the new RAS.

ImSoSuss

Would love to hear from all the RAS/APA defenders their thoughts on the new system being a complete and utter ****show so far.

Zero accountability for the company, zero transparency to the pilot. The AA and APA way.

TallyTarget64

it hasn’t even been live for 12 hours and you’re already crying.