American Hiring Freeze
09-23-2024, 06:36 AM
#811
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I didn't know that the order book for E2s was so deep. Good for Embraer. If true, that would seem to reduce our opportunities for a fire sale. Hopefully there are some gently used 319s somewhere. There certainly don't seem to be any gently used 777-300ERs anywhere.
Spirit and JetBlue I believe lease their entire fleets.
09-23-2024, 07:07 AM
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09-23-2024, 07:34 AM
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They’re mint compared to the AA junkers
09-23-2024, 09:03 AM
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The only ones older are United's. But we're getting sweet new LCDs.
The interesting thing as far as I can tell is the company has shown 0 interest in 319s. They want 321s and Max-10s (similar capacity) and 175s.
It really leaves a huge hole between 76 seats and 150. We're trying to be the country's largest regional without the right gauge aircraft for the markets.
The interesting thing as far as I can tell is the company has shown 0 interest in 319s. They want 321s and Max-10s (similar capacity) and 175s.
It really leaves a huge hole between 76 seats and 150. We're trying to be the country's largest regional without the right gauge aircraft for the markets.
09-23-2024, 09:13 AM
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I wasn’t there at the early stages but do think dumping the A330ceos in the desert and paying to store them was dumb. I respect the fleet diversification argument. I also believe there is a reason that the A330neo has had terrible uptake by airlines and I suspect that’s because the economics on a new aircraft purchase make zero sense.
I’m neither a network planner nor an accountant, but there is a reason airlines keep picking the 787 and A350. We as pilots don’t have to like it but in a similar vein there’s a reason we’re getting a 321xlr and not a 757neo.
I’m neither a network planner nor an accountant, but there is a reason airlines keep picking the 787 and A350. We as pilots don’t have to like it but in a similar vein there’s a reason we’re getting a 321xlr and not a 757neo.
09-23-2024, 12:28 PM
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09-23-2024, 12:36 PM
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It's a $65m jet, let's say you get it for half off at $30m which is arguably below their production costs (ain't happening), 8% 20 year life gives you payment of $250,000
I was being pretty generous with the $225k figure, it likely is higher. $225k to lease the jet is a solid deal.
It's in line with the lease rates someone posted for A.net.
While knowing everything there is to know about airline finance, buying jets, staffing etc why are you just flying them around? You'd think your skills would pay far more as CFO at AA.
09-23-2024, 12:43 PM
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The lease rates are probably fairly accurate. As far as I know we don't generally lease our airplanes. We might again someday if we get in financial trouble and need cash. Leasebacks are common in the industry. You can tell by looking at the registration in the aircraft, is it owned by American or some leasing company?
I didn't know that the order book for E2s was so deep. Good for Embraer. If true, that would seem to reduce our opportunities for a fire sale. Hopefully there are some gently used 319s somewhere. There certainly don't seem to be any gently used 777-300ERs anywhere.
Spirit and JetBlue I believe lease their entire fleets.
I didn't know that the order book for E2s was so deep. Good for Embraer. If true, that would seem to reduce our opportunities for a fire sale. Hopefully there are some gently used 319s somewhere. There certainly don't seem to be any gently used 777-300ERs anywhere.
Spirit and JetBlue I believe lease their entire fleets.
09-23-2024, 12:48 PM
#819
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The only ones older are United's. But we're getting sweet new LCDs.
The interesting thing as far as I can tell is the company has shown 0 interest in 319s. They want 321s and Max-10s (similar capacity) and 175s.
It really leaves a huge hole between 76 seats and 150. We're trying to be the country's largest regional without the right gauge aircraft for the markets.
The interesting thing as far as I can tell is the company has shown 0 interest in 319s. They want 321s and Max-10s (similar capacity) and 175s.
It really leaves a huge hole between 76 seats and 150. We're trying to be the country's largest regional without the right gauge aircraft for the markets.
Fuel burn/efficiency on short legs isn't really a consideration. AA tends to put fuel inefficient aircraft on shorter legs, as the cost savings just isn't there. Basically they run beater jets on their regional routes.
09-23-2024, 02:50 PM
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No they did not. It was noted that there's a decent inventory of 319's out there domestic and international, and the price on the used market is attractive. This was in the context of the current upgrade program for the 319's and upcoming XLR's, so the topic wasn't anchored on.
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