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Old 09-21-2024, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
The is no "220 NEO" in development. Not to say there shouldn't be one. But I follow the Airbus company twitter and news quite closely and have not seen this.

What AA needs is the 330 NEO. This is a great plug and play true widebody to replace the aging 777's. Putting all the eggs into the Boeing basket is not a wise business decision. Does AA "need to replace or stop using the 787" ? No absolutely not. Does it need A350's? No, the 787 is probably doing what the 787 mission does best in that regard.

Old 777's? Replace them with the A330

NB: Airbus and Boeing
WB: Airbus and Boeing

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It’s also been referred as the “221” or “220-500”, but I do agree the development may have been scrapped, definitely stalled. Most of the rumors were in early 2023 prior to Airbus having lengthy aircraft delivery delays.

https://leehamnews.com/2023/01/18/ai...e%20C%20Series.

I also hope the rumors that died out earlier this year about an AA AB WB order come to fruition.
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Old 09-21-2024, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
The is no "220 NEO" in development. Not to say there shouldn't be one. But I follow the Airbus company twitter and news quite closely and have not seen this.

What AA needs is the 330 NEO. This is a great plug and play true widebody to replace the aging 777's. Putting all the eggs into the Boeing basket is not a wise business decision. Does AA "need to replace or stop using the 787" ? No absolutely not. Does it need A350's? No, the 787 is probably doing what the 787 mission does best in that regard.

Old 777's? Replace them with the A330

NB: Airbus and Boeing
WB: Airbus and Boeing

done
I wasn’t there at the early stages but do think dumping the A330ceos in the desert and paying to store them was dumb. I respect the fleet diversification argument. I also believe there is a reason that the A330neo has had terrible uptake by airlines and I suspect that’s because the economics on a new aircraft purchase make zero sense.

I’m neither a network planner nor an accountant, but there is a reason airlines keep picking the 787 and A350. We as pilots don’t have to like it but in a similar vein there’s a reason we’re getting a 321xlr and not a 757neo.
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Old 09-21-2024, 10:56 AM
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if Delta is the smartest airline in USA (aguably, yes), FYI that their wide-body fleet (after the 767) is all Airbus

This includes 330's and 350's

so...
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Old 09-21-2024, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
The is no "220 NEO" in development. Not to say there shouldn't be one. But I follow the Airbus company twitter and news quite closely and have not seen this.

What AA needs is the 330 NEO. This is a great plug and play true widebody to replace the aging 777's. Putting all the eggs into the Boeing basket is not a wise business decision. Does AA "need to replace or stop using the 787" ? No absolutely not. Does it need A350's? No, the 787 is probably doing what the 787 mission does best in that regard.

Old 777's? Replace them with the A330

NB: Airbus and Boeing
WB: Airbus and Boeing

done
How dare you using common sense!

I agree 100%
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Old 09-21-2024, 11:36 AM
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A new E-195-E2 is way more expensive than a used 319. Would the fuel savings ever make up the difference, when including all the other ancillary costs of a new type??
There is no way in heck that the fuel savings would make up for the many tens of millions more that it would cost to buy a new jet. Those CFM56 319s are very nice and capable planes.
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Old 09-21-2024, 11:37 AM
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How dare you using common sense!

I agree 100%
I think that the 350 is a more appropriate replacement for our old triples. The 330 NEO, while kind of ugly, is a very nice plane as well.
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Old 09-21-2024, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MstrAv8r
I think that the 350 is a more appropriate replacement for our old triples. The 330 NEO, while kind of ugly, is a very nice plane as well.
Either or. Fleet diversity is the way to go both NB/WB. That podcast where they argued that the opposite was the way to go…..infuriating.
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Old 09-21-2024, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJJ
Either or. Fleet diversity is the way to go both NB/WB. That podcast where they argued that the opposite was the way to go…..infuriating.
There's certainly logic to simplifying the fleet. It leads to greater interchangability (which means greater ability to adapt when storms hit and inbounds can't make it in to the hub, mx issues, etc.), lower fixed costs (buy aircraft and simulators in bulk), and variable costs (buy parts in bulk, lesser training costs for pilots and faster mx as mechanics can focus on fewer types and being more efficient).
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Old 09-21-2024, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
There's certainly logic to simplifying the fleet. It leads to greater interchangability (which means greater ability to adapt when storms hit and inbounds can't make it in to the hub, mx issues, etc.), lower fixed costs (buy aircraft and simulators in bulk), and variable costs (buy parts in bulk, lesser training costs for pilots and faster mx as mechanics can focus on fewer types and being more efficient).
All very true and valid points. The truth in 2024 is both Boeing and Airbus can all of a sudden be grounded by the FAA for whatever incident. So better to have higher costs but more flexibility in that regard IMO
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Originally Posted by MstrAv8r
There is no way in heck that the fuel savings would make up for the many tens of millions more that it would cost to buy a new jet. Those CFM56 319s are very nice and capable planes.
To play devils advocate, I'd be willing to bet with a decent number of orders we could score a huge deal since they're not really selling. Kinda like delta with the 220s
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