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Old 07-21-2024, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
All great points. There is this strange mindset in management and ops that there can be no changes in the way of doing things. There are so many inefficiencies that can be fixed in scheduling and utilization but it takes making some significant changes and they are afraid to do it. Even our union has tried helping them out to see the light. I don’t know if the right change will ever happen. It will take hiring somebody from the outside, a visionary.
And therein lies the problem.
I believe the proper way to fix inefficiencies is to empower those that know the jobs the best (who are often those who do said jobs, or perhaps an immediate supervisor/manager), to find and fix the multitude of small problems that occur in real time.
This allows mid management to organize and distribute assets for maximum local effect, which in turn allows upper management to focus on exploiting economies of scale, which, in turn allows leadership to focus on developing strategies to exploit opportunities for the future.
Unfortunately, it appears our current "leadership" (and I use that term loosely here) is so inward focused on eliminating frictions, instead of allowing the lower echelons to do that, they are unable or at least uninterested in looking out, up and to the future.
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Old 07-21-2024, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tattooedaviator
I should have said new to this CBA. And I guess they are already in effect since February. I was just generally referring to everything contractual being implemented (supposedly) by the 1 year mark.
Fair enough. I believe the tax free benefit was available to opt in on during the open enrollment, so anyone who opted for that AND had a qualifying disability after the first of the year would be covered.

I seem to recall APA mentioning that the first recipient of the tax free benefit was a new hire that had some kind of bad accident, with a long road ahead of them for recovery.
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Old 07-21-2024, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnerV
And therein lies the problem.
I believe the proper way to fix inefficiencies is to empower those that know the jobs the best (who are often those who do said jobs, or perhaps an immediate supervisor/manager), to find and fix the multitude of small problems that occur in real time.
This allows mid management to organize and distribute assets for maximum local effect, which in turn allows upper management to focus on exploiting economies of scale, which, in turn allows leadership to focus on developing strategies to exploit opportunities for the future.
Unfortunately, it appears our current "leadership" (and I use that term loosely here) is so inward focused on eliminating frictions, instead of allowing the lower echelons to do that, they are unable or at least uninterested in looking out, up and to the future.
In management's defense, no matter what they do, our pilots will complain. The negativity is ridiculous and needs to change. APA loves making us hate the company. The tension is good for their business.
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Old 07-22-2024, 07:44 AM
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In management's defense, no matter what they do, our pilots will complain. The negativity is ridiculous and needs to change. APA loves making us hate the company. The tension is good for their business.
This.

I get the reality that we should be holding the company to account and not be forced to carry the whole company on our shoulders, but the amount of vitriol that I see in some of our online spaces for the organization that provides all our income is sometimes astonishing.

As history has shown more than a few times, it is not a given that any airline is gauranteed survival.
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Old 07-22-2024, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
This.

I get the reality that we should be holding the company to account and not be forced to carry the whole company on our shoulders, but the amount of vitriol that I see in some of our online spaces for the organization that provides all our income is sometimes astonishing.

As history has shown more than a few times, it is not a given that any airline is gauranteed survival.
Are you arguing our execs are doing a great job?
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Old 07-22-2024, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
This.

I get the reality that we should be holding the company to account and not be forced to carry the whole company on our shoulders, but the amount of vitriol that I see in some of our online spaces for the organization that provides all our income is sometimes astonishing.

As history has shown more than a few times, it is not a given that any airline is gauranteed survival.
Is it possible to "hate the sin, but love the sinner?"
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Old 07-22-2024, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
Are you arguing our execs are doing a great job?
My take away from TF's message was that regardless of what the execs do, there is an ever present contingent of the online pilot group that is staunchly anti-management/company.

You know...the perpetual complainers and bellyachers.
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Old 07-22-2024, 01:59 PM
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My take away from TF's message was that regardless of what the execs do, there is an ever present contingent of the online pilot group that is staunchly anti-management/company.

You know...the perpetual complainers and bellyachers.
That's becuse, like college football coaches, if they make great decisions, they prosper with mega bonuses and leave after a decade with bags of $$$$$, if they F the place up, they get paid bags of $$$$ to depart and end up leaving the employees holding the bag of doodoo in their wake.
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Old 07-22-2024, 04:33 PM
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That's becuse, like college football coaches, if they make great decisions, they prosper with mega bonuses and leave after a decade with bags of $$$$$, if they F the place up, they get paid bags of $$$$ to depart and end up leaving the employees holding the bag of doodoo in their wake.
Is their compensation unfair? Life has choices. We chose to soar around the sky, they chose the cubicle and politics. For every successful one of them, there's a hundred NPC's backstabbing eachother to make a buck. I like my office view.
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Old 07-22-2024, 05:24 PM
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While that's the smart/logical play, I think the majority will continue to 65. Too many egos and identities tied up in this job.
I suspect something in the middle, but probably closer to your prediction. Add in the number of pilots that still don't have a grasp on the ESB combined with the new LTD.

Basically working for half pay, but to each their own.
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