American Hiring Freeze
#281
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,314
You are making a huge assumption: that demand holds up. Economic activity is already slowing, people are up to their eyeballs in CC debt, and Covid revenge travel money appears to be finally running out. Every expert says this pace of travel is unsustainable. Attrition will most likely lead to right sizing without the need for furloughs.
every homeowner in American basically had their net worth (via home values) double in the last 3 years
COVID revenge travel is out, now it is just "travel." (shocker). No one cares about COVID anymore
Go try to buy a new car, full sticker or please get out of my dealership. Period the end. (recession?)
Restaurants are full
etc etc
do home builders "worry" that "everyone uses a mortgage to buy a house"
of course not
Do I, as an airline pilot, worry that everyone uses credit cards to travel
of course not
Turn the podcasts off
#282
CHILLAX
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 118
Household debt service payments as a percentage of income is near all time lows. The boomers are going to continue retiring en mass and use their savings to travel....and in premium seats. I think we continue to see strong demand as do the leadership at the big 3. DAL/UAL/AAL aren't buying a bunch of planes bc they think demand is going to soften.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/07/econo...res/index.html
The slowdown is most definitely already happening. It is only a question of how deep it gets.
And the reason for buying planes is twofold. Growth if the demand is there, or fleet replacement if it is not. Love how people get ultra exited about all those shinny new plane orders when they can be simply fleet renewal.
#283
CHILLAX
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 118
Please turn off your late night UFO podcasts
every homeowner in American basically had their net worth (via home values) double in the last 3 years
COVID revenge travel is out, now it is just "travel." (shocker). No one cares about COVID anymore
Go try to buy a new car, full sticker or please get out of my dealership. Period the end. (recession?)
Restaurants are full
etc etc
do home builders "worry" that "everyone uses a mortgage to buy a house"
of course not
Do I, as an airline pilot, worry that everyone uses credit cards to travel
of course not
Turn the podcasts off
every homeowner in American basically had their net worth (via home values) double in the last 3 years
COVID revenge travel is out, now it is just "travel." (shocker). No one cares about COVID anymore
Go try to buy a new car, full sticker or please get out of my dealership. Period the end. (recession?)
Restaurants are full
etc etc
do home builders "worry" that "everyone uses a mortgage to buy a house"
of course not
Do I, as an airline pilot, worry that everyone uses credit cards to travel
of course not
Turn the podcasts off
Car dealership activity has significantly slowed, discounts coming back, used car prices returned to normal values, for example.
You must be related to KJP 🙄.
#284
CHILLAX
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 118
Household debt service payments as a percentage of income is near all time lows. The boomers are going to continue retiring en mass and use their savings to travel....and in premium seats. I think we continue to see strong demand as do the leadership at the big 3. DAL/UAL/AAL aren't buying a bunch of planes bc they think demand is going to soften.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/07/econo...res/index.html
#285
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 982
Please turn off your late night UFO podcasts
every homeowner in American basically had their net worth (via home values) double in the last 3 years
COVID revenge travel is out, now it is just "travel." (shocker). No one cares about COVID anymore
Go try to buy a new car, full sticker or please get out of my dealership. Period the end. (recession?)
Restaurants are full
etc etc
do home builders "worry" that "everyone uses a mortgage to buy a house"
of course not
Do I, as an airline pilot, worry that everyone uses credit cards to travel
of course not
Turn the podcasts off
every homeowner in American basically had their net worth (via home values) double in the last 3 years
COVID revenge travel is out, now it is just "travel." (shocker). No one cares about COVID anymore
Go try to buy a new car, full sticker or please get out of my dealership. Period the end. (recession?)
Restaurants are full
etc etc
do home builders "worry" that "everyone uses a mortgage to buy a house"
of course not
Do I, as an airline pilot, worry that everyone uses credit cards to travel
of course not
Turn the podcasts off
The wealth from rising home values is vapor until the home is sold. Then it probably just gets rolled into a more expensive home except in the rare downsizing case.
This by extension is an issue with the theory that millennials have the biggest inheritance in the history of the country coming to them. Some of it is in retirement accounts but the majority is in real estate.
Home builders get cash from the mortgage company so no they don't worry about it but whoever is holding that paper sure better worry about it. Have we not seen this movie before?
Bubbles always feel good while they are raging. They also always pop. The harder prediction to get right is when.
#286
You are making a huge assumption: that demand holds up. Economic activity is already slowing, people are up to their eyeballs in CC debt, and Covid revenge travel money appears to be finally running out. Every expert says this pace of travel is unsustainable. Attrition will most likely lead to right sizing without the need for furloughs.
#287
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2024
Posts: 221
You are making a huge assumption: that demand holds up. Economic activity is already slowing, people are up to their eyeballs in CC debt, and Covid revenge travel money appears to be finally running out. Every expert says this pace of travel is unsustainable. Attrition will most likely lead to right sizing without the need for furloughs.
#288
I wouldn't spend too much bandwith trying to change minds on this upper middle class echo chamber. It's a big blind spot, especially when couched in the apathy that K-economy bifurcation engenders in the first place. BL, never take vocational advice from someone above you on an MLM downline. Digressing.
To the other .mil poster, good for already having the reserve job lined up. Being on the hiring side of that wheelhouse, anecdotally things are starting to crank up again as separating AD types start panicking (and they are, good bad or indifferent). I've seen this musical chair boomerang stuff since the days of the Lost Decade, nothing new under the sun.
Lastly, as with everything in life, friendly reminder to not crap where others eat. We have memories longer than a single airline hiring cycle.
Good luck to all, ensure your elbows are safely tucked inside the carnival ride; and hey stop worrying about it, you already messed up when you chose to rely on a medical for primary HH income in the first place. #YOLO?
To the other .mil poster, good for already having the reserve job lined up. Being on the hiring side of that wheelhouse, anecdotally things are starting to crank up again as separating AD types start panicking (and they are, good bad or indifferent). I've seen this musical chair boomerang stuff since the days of the Lost Decade, nothing new under the sun.
Lastly, as with everything in life, friendly reminder to not crap where others eat. We have memories longer than a single airline hiring cycle.
Good luck to all, ensure your elbows are safely tucked inside the carnival ride; and hey stop worrying about it, you already messed up when you chose to rely on a medical for primary HH income in the first place. #YOLO?
#290
I was just thinking that I should have worked at the post office for all this time - so much lower risk. But oh well, if I lose my medical I'll have to be content running my household on the upper 10% income I'll receive for doing ****-all for the next 20+ years. What a huge mistake.
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