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06-29-2024, 06:10 PM
#201
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 93
I never said there are not legit reasons to call in sick when technically not sick.
I just don't view a trip you don't like because your seniority couldn't hold better and couldn't trade it away using TTS or couldn't hold a holiday off, etc as not among those legit reasons.
You knew when you entered this industry that being junior would mean working the crap trips and working holidays. Being junior shouldn't have to suck, but being junior does mean those things. Putting it on a reservist is utter crap. It's not their job to deal with what your seniority could or could not hold when it comes to trip quality and flying over holidays.
I just don't view a trip you don't like because your seniority couldn't hold better and couldn't trade it away using TTS or couldn't hold a holiday off, etc as not among those legit reasons.
You knew when you entered this industry that being junior would mean working the crap trips and working holidays. Being junior shouldn't have to suck, but being junior does mean those things. Putting it on a reservist is utter crap. It's not their job to deal with what your seniority could or could not hold when it comes to trip quality and flying over holidays.
06-30-2024, 07:47 AM
#202
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,124
Guess what, it’s absolutely none of your business why someone calls out sick. If they have the time, they can use it, end of story. Guess what, you also know as a reserve, you are there to cover sick calls. You aren’t being paid to sit at home and not fly. You knew as a junior reserve that you would have to cover trips, the reason why you are covering trips on a day on is also absolutely irrelevant. The company isn’t paying you min guarantee on reserve to sit at home on your couch.
06-30-2024, 08:11 AM
#203
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,902
Basically, yes. Weather layers on FD pro is not “whitelisted” on WiFi at DL, but is available on cellular at the gate. I think it’s partly a money issue, but the company also says its weather app is supposedly better/faster updating/more reliable or something. It does have a decent turbulence forecast (lateral and vertical), TP’s, looping radar, and a colorized convective display (which actually works pretty well).
I wish it wasn’t a separate app, but it’s not absolutely terrible to switch, just plain terrible. 😂
I wish it wasn’t a separate app, but it’s not absolutely terrible to switch, just plain terrible. 😂
The system was actually created by NWA back in the early 50s, so there's something like 70+ years of cummulative worldwide data in the system, and it's pretty accurate. Back in the NWA days, you'd get a print out and have to plot them by hand, and the ACARS was dialed in to send you geographically relevant updates. There were these legal sized plotting charts provisioned in all of the aircraft....even the DC-9s, although later you could print them from a terminal if you had a laser printer conneted (rare, if ever). For mountain wave stuff, NWA had tailored Jepp high/low charts that showed the mountain wave areas, and had deviation routes around them if they were active. Last I cheked, the EFB version still has them.
DAL inheritied the system from NWA, and to their credit, has kept after it, and even refined it a bit.
06-30-2024, 02:14 PM
#204
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 976
Just random trivia...the "TP" ("threat plot" or used to be "turbulence plot") system that Fangs talks about is a proprietary DAL system used for prediciting turbulence, including mountain wave activity, but it also displays active threats. It's not a public product, so it wouldn't show up on the Jepp app. There's no mechanism for it to do so, because everything is handled with internal DAL Metro systems.
The system was actually created by NWA back in the early 50s, so there's something like 70+ years of cummulative worldwide data in the system, and it's pretty accurate. Back in the NWA days, you'd get a print out and have to plot them by hand, and the ACARS was dialed in to send you geographically relevant updates. There were these legal sized plotting charts provisioned in all of the aircraft....even the DC-9s, although later you could print them from a terminal if you had a laser printer conneted (rare, if ever). For mountain wave stuff, NWA had tailored Jepp high/low charts that showed the mountain wave areas, and had deviation routes around them if they were active. Last I cheked, the EFB version still has them.
DAL inheritied the system from NWA, and to their credit, has kept after it, and even refined it a bit.
The system was actually created by NWA back in the early 50s, so there's something like 70+ years of cummulative worldwide data in the system, and it's pretty accurate. Back in the NWA days, you'd get a print out and have to plot them by hand, and the ACARS was dialed in to send you geographically relevant updates. There were these legal sized plotting charts provisioned in all of the aircraft....even the DC-9s, although later you could print them from a terminal if you had a laser printer conneted (rare, if ever). For mountain wave stuff, NWA had tailored Jepp high/low charts that showed the mountain wave areas, and had deviation routes around them if they were active. Last I cheked, the EFB version still has them.
DAL inheritied the system from NWA, and to their credit, has kept after it, and even refined it a bit.
06-30-2024, 05:34 PM
#205
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2024
Posts: 9
Does “awaiting” training mean complete with indoc and waiting for sims? Or 144 people in the CJO pool? Thanks, I only ask because I’m in the later category
06-30-2024, 07:06 PM
#206
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 384
Hmmm, my June HI1 would tell a story that begs to differ. 7 days actually working. Likely dumb luck and the product of carry-in and a well timed RF trip, but still. I dreamed a dream of time gone by,
06-30-2024, 07:28 PM
#207
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
07-01-2024, 03:06 AM
#208
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Left seat
Posts: 41
As in start classes back up this year? AA cancelled classes for the remainder of the year before July even started. They also stopped interviewing right?
07-01-2024, 05:33 AM
#209
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 287
Just random trivia...the "TP" ("threat plot" or used to be "turbulence plot") system that Fangs talks about is a proprietary DAL system used for prediciting turbulence, including mountain wave activity, but it also displays active threats. It's not a public product, so it wouldn't show up on the Jepp app. There's no mechanism for it to do so, because everything is handled with internal DAL Metro systems.
The system was actually created by NWA back in the early 50s, so there's something like 70+ years of cummulative worldwide data in the system, and it's pretty accurate. Back in the NWA days, you'd get a print out and have to plot them by hand, and the ACARS was dialed in to send you geographically relevant updates. There were these legal sized plotting charts provisioned in all of the aircraft....even the DC-9s, although later you could print them from a terminal if you had a laser printer conneted (rare, if ever). For mountain wave stuff, NWA had tailored Jepp high/low charts that showed the mountain wave areas, and had deviation routes around them if they were active. Last I cheked, the EFB version still has them.
DAL inheritied the system from NWA, and to their credit, has kept after it, and even refined it a bit.
The system was actually created by NWA back in the early 50s, so there's something like 70+ years of cummulative worldwide data in the system, and it's pretty accurate. Back in the NWA days, you'd get a print out and have to plot them by hand, and the ACARS was dialed in to send you geographically relevant updates. There were these legal sized plotting charts provisioned in all of the aircraft....even the DC-9s, although later you could print them from a terminal if you had a laser printer conneted (rare, if ever). For mountain wave stuff, NWA had tailored Jepp high/low charts that showed the mountain wave areas, and had deviation routes around them if they were active. Last I cheked, the EFB version still has them.
DAL inheritied the system from NWA, and to their credit, has kept after it, and even refined it a bit.
Statisctics show NWA/Delta have far fewer injuries due to turbulence onboard than AA and United. Both tried to buy the technology from NWA in the past but it wasn't for sale. Remember the plotting charts NWA had.
07-01-2024, 05:38 AM
#210
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,737
Since you said NWA I have to ask how old are those statistics and do they account for the more daily flights that AA takes over DL/NWA?
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