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06-17-2024, 07:24 AM
#112
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All fine and well until missing A14 sets the next crew up for failure at making D0/A14. And then the next crew and the next… snowballing. Crews that are scheduled to maximum efficiency start pushing duty day limits and then all of a sudden the “increased efficiency” is now “increased unreliability” in performance metrics and that drives customers away.
06-18-2024, 06:45 PM
#113
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I got news for y'all D-anything isn't American's problem. The problem is that there is no strategic plan. They're thowing flights into already oversaturated DFW and CLT, because they don't know what else to do. Alaska handed them SEA international flying with the best feed on the west coast on an f'in silver platter and they screwed that up. They don't have pricing power like Delta because they've driven the quality of the product right into the pooper. Unfortunately who's going to fix things? The board of directors? That's a joke, they're just as bad as the CEO. Kirby got canned becase he on numerous occasions told the board they were a bunch of morons. Guess what?... he was right. I see a long slooooow decline of what was once a great airline. Wine fueled retiree rant over.
06-18-2024, 10:23 PM
#114
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Is this a serious comment?
D0 matters because it reflects management’s skills at using policy and labor to put the bags and passengers on the plane on time.
If you miss D0 and make A14 means you got lucky with weather or ATC, the only other option is for management to reduce the productivity of their millions in assets to “pad” block times so you make A14.
D0 is king because it’s what the airline controls, they don’t control weather and ATC.
When you make D0 and therefore A14 it allows them to schedule the max utilization of their fleet. They have thousands of hours of data to predict making D0 but missing A14.
Making D0 is company control metric
Making A14 is making D0 and having accurate predictions on how outside forces increase block times and cause delays.
Making A14 a lot and missing D0 a lot means the company is intentionally scheduling an under utilization of their assets. Millions can be saved by making A14 by way of D0 and not underutilizing the fleet, they can add seat miles to the same fleet and having more inventory.
You want mgmt to reduce inventory to make A14 or focus on outside factors?
You do not want management to obsess with the focus of putting bags, fuel, and passengers on plane on time “making D0” and then having ability to increase inventory to sell?
Airline A operates 10,000 block hours and makes D0 99% and A14 99%
Airline B operates 9,000 block hours and makes D0 50% but makes A14 99%
Mgmt is obsessed with D0 because they are airline B and want to become airline A , and want to add 1,000 block hours to sell for $$.
They are tired of destroying the efficiency of their fleet to keep arrivals on time.
D0 matters because it reflects management’s skills at using policy and labor to put the bags and passengers on the plane on time.
If you miss D0 and make A14 means you got lucky with weather or ATC, the only other option is for management to reduce the productivity of their millions in assets to “pad” block times so you make A14.
D0 is king because it’s what the airline controls, they don’t control weather and ATC.
When you make D0 and therefore A14 it allows them to schedule the max utilization of their fleet. They have thousands of hours of data to predict making D0 but missing A14.
Making D0 is company control metric
Making A14 is making D0 and having accurate predictions on how outside forces increase block times and cause delays.
Making A14 a lot and missing D0 a lot means the company is intentionally scheduling an under utilization of their assets. Millions can be saved by making A14 by way of D0 and not underutilizing the fleet, they can add seat miles to the same fleet and having more inventory.
You want mgmt to reduce inventory to make A14 or focus on outside factors?
You do not want management to obsess with the focus of putting bags, fuel, and passengers on plane on time “making D0” and then having ability to increase inventory to sell?
Airline A operates 10,000 block hours and makes D0 99% and A14 99%
Airline B operates 9,000 block hours and makes D0 50% but makes A14 99%
Mgmt is obsessed with D0 because they are airline B and want to become airline A , and want to add 1,000 block hours to sell for $$.
They are tired of destroying the efficiency of their fleet to keep arrivals on time.
06-19-2024, 10:10 AM
#115
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Except airline A DOES over-block their schedules. Sometimes significantly. And because of this, they have the best on time rates in the industry. Customers prefer to be on time, not delayed or late like we normally are. If you keep customers happy, you can afford to be a little less “productive”.
I got news for y'all D-anything isn't American's problem. The problem is that there is no strategic plan. They're thowing flights into already oversaturated DFW and CLT, because they don't know what else to do. Alaska handed them SEA international flying with the best feed on the west coast on an f'in silver platter and they screwed that up. They don't have pricing power like Delta because they've driven the quality of the product right into the pooper. Unfortunately who's going to fix things? The board of directors? That's a joke, they're just as bad as the CEO. Kirby got canned becase he on numerous occasions told the board they were a bunch of morons. Guess what?... he was right. I see a long slooooow decline of what was once a great airline. Wine fueled retiree rant over.
06-20-2024, 10:23 AM
#116
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FWIW Delta has been moving away from increasing block times and instead, they increase turn times. When Isom took over he started moving our scheduling that direction as well. I've no idea what United does.
Kirby was the driving force behind pushing for expansion of RJ flying at AA as well...do you feel that was the correct move?
Kirby was the driving force behind pushing for expansion of RJ flying at AA as well...do you feel that was the correct move?
Kirby pushed for mainline expansion out of LAX. Currently they're turning mainline into RJs and handing the North-South out of LAX and PHX to Alaska...... brilliant!!! You're trying to defend a team that when asked what their back up plan for the Gov blocking the NE Alliance was, their answer was we don't have one. Considering their salaries they should be charged for theft.
06-20-2024, 06:17 PM
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From what I'm hearing block times and turn times are decreasing, hence a decrease in on time performance, which is just flat out dumb when you preach the importance of D minus whatever.
Kirby pushed for mainline expansion out of LAX. Currently they're turning mainline into RJs and handing the North-South out of LAX and PHX to Alaska...... brilliant!!! You're trying to defend a team that when asked what their back up plan for the Gov blocking the NE Alliance was, their answer was we don't have one. Considering their salaries they should be charged for theft.
Kirby pushed for mainline expansion out of LAX. Currently they're turning mainline into RJs and handing the North-South out of LAX and PHX to Alaska...... brilliant!!! You're trying to defend a team that when asked what their back up plan for the Gov blocking the NE Alliance was, their answer was we don't have one. Considering their salaries they should be charged for theft.
No airline has made much money at LAX, it's too diversified. No one carrier owns the traffic there and that turns it into a "must serve" destination similar to LAS and MCO but zero money maker for the airline. Look at what jetBlue is doing - they flat out stopped serving Long Beach and are reducing LAX flights by a staggering 30% as well, and they were a pretty big west coast carrier.
Both UA and DL revenue is down in LAX as well (not as much as us, but still negative). I would wait 12 months to see how the change in booking system impacts our revenue personally before armchair CEO'ing it.
06-20-2024, 09:18 PM
#118
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As a commuter, I end up on Delta a fair amount of the time (and Alaska).
Delta THINKS they are pretty hot stuff....not really a noticable difference in economy.
Alaska has great customer service....if they could fix their seat pitch thing. And you do get treated well in 1st.
The laughable thing is that they brag that they have the "most room in premium" of any legacy airline.
(I honestly thought I was in coach at the time, the seats were so cramped.)
The handful of times I end up in the back of an AA flight (usually deadheading), I really don't see any difference between them and Delta.
Now, our 88 year old FAs that are going to work until they die..... Who thought that was a great idea?
Delta THINKS they are pretty hot stuff....not really a noticable difference in economy.
Alaska has great customer service....if they could fix their seat pitch thing. And you do get treated well in 1st.
The laughable thing is that they brag that they have the "most room in premium" of any legacy airline.
(I honestly thought I was in coach at the time, the seats were so cramped.)
The handful of times I end up in the back of an AA flight (usually deadheading), I really don't see any difference between them and Delta.
Now, our 88 year old FAs that are going to work until they die..... Who thought that was a great idea?
Never had these issues on any Delta flight
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