AA New Hire – CLT, 737 or A320?
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Take the 737 first if you want to commute to CLT, you'll gain more seniority quicker on the 73 and will be able to hold long call and a line much sooner. Disregard if you are over 6 feet tall. Overall I'd say the 737 trips in CLT are better too, less 4 leg days and few red eyes.
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Take the 737 first if you want to commute to CLT, you'll gain more seniority quicker on the 73 and will be able to hold long call and a line much sooner. Disregard if you are over 6 feet tall. Overall I'd say the 737 trips in CLT are better too, less 4 leg days and few red eyes.
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320 vs 737? The most common answer is "320."
But not so fast. Looking at the top 1,000 CA's and FO's (2,000 total) and the 320 is more common amongst the guys still flying n/b's. Ratio for one group (I forget if it was the CA's or FO's) - was 1.5x and 1.7x more on the 320 vs the 737. So at least at the upper end the 320 is more senior.
Got on property. Get to the base of you choice ASAP. Then figure out your current and projected future relative seniority, and the trips that relative seniority flys, and the choice between 320 vs 737 might change.
But not so fast. Looking at the top 1,000 CA's and FO's (2,000 total) and the 320 is more common amongst the guys still flying n/b's. Ratio for one group (I forget if it was the CA's or FO's) - was 1.5x and 1.7x more on the 320 vs the 737. So at least at the upper end the 320 is more senior.
Got on property. Get to the base of you choice ASAP. Then figure out your current and projected future relative seniority, and the trips that relative seniority flys, and the choice between 320 vs 737 might change.
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Forgot to mention;
320 has hourly pay rate bumps that stack depending on the mission.
Base rate 319/320/321
NEO/XLR rate bump
Transcon rate bump
Long range over water rate bump.
AA currently has the NEO, and XLR's coming this year (currently Q4/24).
There is a pay bump for the 737-MAX10 but they are not certified by the FAA yet...
An interesting story for aviation geeks: Boeing did some rent-seeking against Airbus complaining to the EASA and FAA about Airbus' XLR fuel cells, claiming they are unsafe. Boeing, behind on certifying the MAX 7 and 10, wanted to slow down certification of Airbus' XLR to more closely match certification/production/delivery dates with it's MAX 7's and 10's. They succeeded.
Deliveries are slated for both the Airbus XLR's and Boeing MAX 10 are Q4/24.
A personal note on the 737's. They just aren't put together well. I'm not referring to the current fiasco with Spirit Aerosystems either. The plugs to stretch the fuselage Boeing installed are weak. Look at pictures of runway over-runs on the NG and higher 737's; The fuselage cracks open at the fuselage plugs very commonly, and at very low ground speeds.
Contrast that to Airbus's 4-wheeling excursions where the fuselage stays intact. With respect to one of our flights in PHL which "rejected" takeoff at -ahem- about 200' AGL, and wheelbarrowed and bounced it's way to a stop, that fuselage took a massive beating starting with a blow to the nose, and remained intact.
Food for though....
320 has hourly pay rate bumps that stack depending on the mission.
Base rate 319/320/321
NEO/XLR rate bump
Transcon rate bump
Long range over water rate bump.
AA currently has the NEO, and XLR's coming this year (currently Q4/24).
There is a pay bump for the 737-MAX10 but they are not certified by the FAA yet...
An interesting story for aviation geeks: Boeing did some rent-seeking against Airbus complaining to the EASA and FAA about Airbus' XLR fuel cells, claiming they are unsafe. Boeing, behind on certifying the MAX 7 and 10, wanted to slow down certification of Airbus' XLR to more closely match certification/production/delivery dates with it's MAX 7's and 10's. They succeeded.
Deliveries are slated for both the Airbus XLR's and Boeing MAX 10 are Q4/24.
A personal note on the 737's. They just aren't put together well. I'm not referring to the current fiasco with Spirit Aerosystems either. The plugs to stretch the fuselage Boeing installed are weak. Look at pictures of runway over-runs on the NG and higher 737's; The fuselage cracks open at the fuselage plugs very commonly, and at very low ground speeds.
Contrast that to Airbus's 4-wheeling excursions where the fuselage stays intact. With respect to one of our flights in PHL which "rejected" takeoff at -ahem- about 200' AGL, and wheelbarrowed and bounced it's way to a stop, that fuselage took a massive beating starting with a blow to the nose, and remained intact.
Food for though....
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