AA or Delta at this moment
01-05-2024, 09:49 AM
#61
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Position: B747 FO
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It's not "easy" math Red.
It requires time, effort, reading comprehension, and the application of contract items.
Spoon feeding will not happen here.
For your sluething pleasure:
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/delta/TA/Contract%202019%20TA%20Markup.
pdf
If a pilot in the market for choosing an airline and wants to compare earnings pretty detailed research is required.
Same old same old AA attitude though, just wants to do simple math.
Ug! Caveman says pay rate same same! Ug!
Work rule? Ug. Me work. Ug!
It requires time, effort, reading comprehension, and the application of contract items.
Spoon feeding will not happen here.
For your sluething pleasure:
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/delta/TA/Contract%202019%20TA%20Markup.
If a pilot in the market for choosing an airline and wants to compare earnings pretty detailed research is required.
Same old same old AA attitude though, just wants to do simple math.
Ug! Caveman says pay rate same same! Ug!
Work rule? Ug. Me work. Ug!
01-05-2024, 09:57 AM
#62
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That's impressive. When I got the DL interview invite while going though training here early 2023 I looked on widgetsenority and I wasn't any were close. Given I was 38 at the time (39 now). Even with those numbers it had me retiring around 4600+ish. Here ill be 1800ish. Obviously I stayed here as I'm a permanent commuter and the policy is better here than Delta and better seniority progression greatly helps.
01-05-2024, 10:04 AM
#63
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01-05-2024, 10:51 AM
#64
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what do you mean AA can’t double dip?
01-05-2024, 11:32 AM
#65
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Not sure it is implemented yet but new contract can double dip. If trip is bought for training you get paid and can pick up another trip and get paid for both. Didn't used to be this way.
I doubt you would make millions more at Delta. Maybe. I commute on them and I am hearing that green slips are harder to get. Could be the weather.
I would think AA IMax gurus are making more than a Delta green slip gurus. I saw a couple actual examples of IMax HI1s yesterday that amazed me. 220 hrs credit during an IMaxed month. Guarantee that pilot is making over a million.
You can't go wrong at either place. Whatever you decide do not look back. There will always be some pilots that have it better than you.
I doubt you would make millions more at Delta. Maybe. I commute on them and I am hearing that green slips are harder to get. Could be the weather.
I would think AA IMax gurus are making more than a Delta green slip gurus. I saw a couple actual examples of IMax HI1s yesterday that amazed me. 220 hrs credit during an IMaxed month. Guarantee that pilot is making over a million.
You can't go wrong at either place. Whatever you decide do not look back. There will always be some pilots that have it better than you.
01-05-2024, 12:00 PM
#66
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Posts: 2,383
That's impressive. When I got the DL interview invite while going though training here early 2023 I looked on widgetsenority and I wasn't any were close. Given I was 38 at the time (39 now). Even with those numbers it had me retiring around 4600+ish. Here ill be 1800ish. Obviously I stayed here as I'm a permanent commuter and the policy is better here than Delta and better seniority progression greatly helps.
01-05-2024, 12:41 PM
#67
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 176
Not sure it is implemented yet but new contract can double dip. If trip is bought for training you get paid and can pick up another trip and get paid for both. Didn't used to be this way.
I doubt you would make millions more at Delta. Maybe. I commute on them and I am hearing that green slips are harder to get. Could be the weather.
I would think AA IMax gurus are making more than a Delta green slip gurus. I saw a couple actual examples of IMax HI1s yesterday that amazed me. 220 hrs credit during an IMaxed month. Guarantee that pilot is making over a million.
You can't go wrong at either place. Whatever you decide do not look back. There will always be some pilots that have it better than you.
I doubt you would make millions more at Delta. Maybe. I commute on them and I am hearing that green slips are harder to get. Could be the weather.
I would think AA IMax gurus are making more than a Delta green slip gurus. I saw a couple actual examples of IMax HI1s yesterday that amazed me. 220 hrs credit during an IMaxed month. Guarantee that pilot is making over a million.
You can't go wrong at either place. Whatever you decide do not look back. There will always be some pilots that have it better than you.
01-05-2024, 12:41 PM
#68
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Position: Pilot
Posts: 2,625
It's not "easy" math Red.
It requires time, effort, reading comprehension, and the application of contract items.
Spoon feeding will not happen here.
For your sluething pleasure:
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/delta/TA/Contract%202019%20TA%20Markup.
pdf
If a pilot in the market for choosing an airline and wants to compare earnings pretty detailed research is required.
Same old same old AA attitude though, just wants to do simple math.
Ug! Caveman says pay rate same same! Ug!
Work rule? Ug. Me work. Ug!
It requires time, effort, reading comprehension, and the application of contract items.
Spoon feeding will not happen here.
For your sluething pleasure:
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/delta/TA/Contract%202019%20TA%20Markup.
If a pilot in the market for choosing an airline and wants to compare earnings pretty detailed research is required.
Same old same old AA attitude though, just wants to do simple math.
Ug! Caveman says pay rate same same! Ug!
Work rule? Ug. Me work. Ug!
01-05-2024, 12:53 PM
#69
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 176
Bottom line - picking a legacy based on todays # of WB’s, todays profit sharing, todays contract (snapshot in time that will last 3 years), or even todays union (AA may be ALPA within a few years, right?) is shortsighted when considering a 20+ year career. The best bets to count on in this industry is projected seniority movement based on retirements and hiring at DOH (specifically how fast you can get off the bottom) and fortress hubs. Pick which one has the best combo of the two for you.
Good luck.
01-05-2024, 01:39 PM
#70
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 176
It's not "easy" math Red.
It requires time, effort, reading comprehension, and the application of contract items.
Spoon feeding will not happen here.
For your sluething pleasure:
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/delta/TA/Contract%202019%20TA%20Markup.
pdf
If a pilot in the market for choosing an airline and wants to compare earnings pretty detailed research is required.
Same old same old AA attitude though, just wants to do simple math.
Ug! Caveman says pay rate same same! Ug!
Work rule? Ug. Me work. Ug!
It requires time, effort, reading comprehension, and the application of contract items.
Spoon feeding will not happen here.
For your sluething pleasure:
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.net/delta/TA/Contract%202019%20TA%20Markup.
If a pilot in the market for choosing an airline and wants to compare earnings pretty detailed research is required.
Same old same old AA attitude though, just wants to do simple math.
Ug! Caveman says pay rate same same! Ug!
Work rule? Ug. Me work. Ug!
so you’re saying you’ve done this detailed research and the results came out Delta by millions, or you haven’t, but you assume it would?
If you have, why not just put this argument to bed and post the wave tops of your research? no spoon feeding, just pilots helping pilots. I have plenty of buddies at Delta and I’d seriously love to know how a pilot with a 3-4000 seniority hit can make millions more over the course of a career.
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