AA or Delta at this moment
01-14-2024, 06:25 PM
#211
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I don’t know that this is true for someone hired today. Delta is hands down a better place to work with a better contract and a stronger union. There’s no debating that, but Delta just grew 45 percent in less than 3 years. Seniority is real and Delta’s progression is about to come to a crawl compared to what it was. The ugrade time is about to rise to around 9-10 years for someone hired today. Delta’s industry leading contract isn’t as industry leading as it used to be. The legacy contracts are all pretty similar. APA didn’t contribute anything, but they did a whole lot of copying from the other contracts.
01-14-2024, 06:28 PM
#212
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I do play hockey, watch hockey, and have a son that plays hockey. Also have a father that worked for American. Delta has been a better place to work than American for decades. It is what it is. This is first contract cycle in a long time when American matched Delta’s rates. Sorry if truth hurts. Delta got 10.3 percenf for profit sharing. Think American going to beat that? I honestly don’t know, but guessing it won’t.
American is probably better for someone hired today due to seniority. From 2007-2023, Delta hands down better.
American is probably better for someone hired today due to seniority. From 2007-2023, Delta hands down better.
01-25-2024, 04:49 AM
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As for prospective newhires. Outside of domiciles, the financial results today should be an eye opener. Beside the obvious profit sharing gap of 10% vs 2%, it demonstrates the the financial health of each company in the most profitable of times in aviation history. A very slight hiccup in the economy, Delta would still be making billions whereas AA would be losing billions.
Seniority progression now doesn't mean as much when you have less job security, make less money, and arguably less QOL despite being more senior at one company over the other.
01-25-2024, 07:28 AM
#215
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The seniority handcuff.
As for prospective newhires. Outside of domiciles, the financial results today should be an eye opener. Beside the obvious profit sharing gap of 10% vs 2%, it demonstrates the the financial health of each company in the most profitable of times in aviation history. A very slight hiccup in the economy, Delta would still be making billions whereas AA would be losing billions.
Seniority progression now doesn't mean as much when you have less job security, make less money, and arguably less QOL despite being more senior at one company over the other.
As for prospective newhires. Outside of domiciles, the financial results today should be an eye opener. Beside the obvious profit sharing gap of 10% vs 2%, it demonstrates the the financial health of each company in the most profitable of times in aviation history. A very slight hiccup in the economy, Delta would still be making billions whereas AA would be losing billions.
Seniority progression now doesn't mean as much when you have less job security, make less money, and arguably less QOL despite being more senior at one company over the other.
American is far ahead of schedule executing its debt reduction plan, has some of the most favorable rates in the industry, has completed most of its fleet renewal, and is running one of the most reliable operations in the industry (a HUGE improvement from the day of Parker's leadership).
Ultimately if people are unhappy with our net profit, us pilots need to focus on providing a safe, reliable product that *customers* are willing to pay a premium for. Delta definitely has its issues, but I will say their pilots seem to be less adversarial and it does make a difference to customer experience.
We have a great pilot group, incredible bases, consistent fleet, and a real opportunity to improve our image to compete for premium revenue. Make no mistake, now is an incredible time to be an American Airlines pilot.
01-25-2024, 07:37 AM
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I absolutely disagree with this. American's strategy is more nimble / conservative than competitors given the emphasis on domestic growth vs. taking on widebodies for international growth. This translates to less reward from current exploding international demand BUT also far less financial risk, as we are insulated from potential geopolitical shocks to international demand. If you haven't, I recommend you listen to the earnings call from this morning.
American is far ahead of schedule executing its debt reduction plan, has some of the most favorable rates in the industry, has completed most of its fleet renewal, and is running one of the most reliable operations in the industry (a HUGE improvement from the day of Parker's leadership).
Ultimately if people are unhappy with our net profit, us pilots need to focus on providing a safe, reliable product that *customers* are willing to pay a premium for. Delta definitely has its issues, but I will say their pilots seem to be less adversarial and it does make a difference to customer experience.
We have a great pilot group, incredible bases, consistent fleet, and a real opportunity to improve our image to compete for premium revenue. Make no mistake, now is an incredible time to be an American Airlines pilot.
American is far ahead of schedule executing its debt reduction plan, has some of the most favorable rates in the industry, has completed most of its fleet renewal, and is running one of the most reliable operations in the industry (a HUGE improvement from the day of Parker's leadership).
Ultimately if people are unhappy with our net profit, us pilots need to focus on providing a safe, reliable product that *customers* are willing to pay a premium for. Delta definitely has its issues, but I will say their pilots seem to be less adversarial and it does make a difference to customer experience.
We have a great pilot group, incredible bases, consistent fleet, and a real opportunity to improve our image to compete for premium revenue. Make no mistake, now is an incredible time to be an American Airlines pilot.
01-25-2024, 07:56 AM
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Lol don't get me wrong, I was absolutely furious with the penny-pinching direct negotation BS tactic he took to strongarm us at the end of negotations. But credit where credit's due - we are operationally in a much better place than we were before this management team took the helm. Delta does not have any secret sauce that we don't have. They just have a better customer experience. We should not have removed seatback IFE, and our archaic backend IT needs to be improved. I hope management recognizes this and invests in it. I want a 8-10% profit sharing check for 2024 - so let's go out there and earn it.
01-25-2024, 08:07 AM
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I'm happy at AA and consider myself to have good QOL, but my attitude about this hasn't changed in the 10 years I've been here. If you can be in an AA base then go to AA, otherwise go to Delta.
I've also been based in NYC for most of my time here and it's a pretty fantastic base. YMMV somewhere else.
I've also been based in NYC for most of my time here and it's a pretty fantastic base. YMMV somewhere else.
01-26-2024, 07:08 AM
#219
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The seniority handcuff.
As for prospective newhires. Outside of domiciles, the financial results today should be an eye opener. Beside the obvious profit sharing gap of 10% vs 2%, it demonstrates the the financial health of each company in the most profitable of times in aviation history. A very slight hiccup in the economy, Delta would still be making billions whereas AA would be losing billions.
Seniority progression now doesn't mean as much when you have less job security, make less money, and arguably less QOL despite being more senior at one company over the other.
As for prospective newhires. Outside of domiciles, the financial results today should be an eye opener. Beside the obvious profit sharing gap of 10% vs 2%, it demonstrates the the financial health of each company in the most profitable of times in aviation history. A very slight hiccup in the economy, Delta would still be making billions whereas AA would be losing billions.
Seniority progression now doesn't mean as much when you have less job security, make less money, and arguably less QOL despite being more senior at one company over the other.
01-26-2024, 07:52 AM
#220
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Lol don't get me wrong, I was absolutely furious with the penny-pinching direct negotation BS tactic he took to strongarm us at the end of negotations. But credit where credit's due - we are operationally in a much better place than we were before this management team took the helm. Delta does not have any secret sauce that we don't have. They just have a better customer experience. We should not have removed seatback IFE, and our archaic backend IT needs to be improved. I hope management recognizes this and invests in it. I want a 8-10% profit sharing check for 2024 - so let's go out there and earn it.
Never gonna happen
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