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01-13-2024, 08:05 AM

#181

NC43rd

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All this low level, back and forth with union/mgmt, is going to be present everywhere you go so I wouldnt let that cloud someones descision making.

01-13-2024, 08:17 AM

#182

GrossNavError

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Originally Posted by SoloPilot

What do you know about it, you don’t even work here?

Sounds like you guys have a great relationship with management over there at DAL:

“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

DAL VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot

Deltas Union is 1 million times better than APA.
Everything associated with AA is third tier ****, including it's pilot union.

01-13-2024, 08:19 AM

#183

Werjower

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I don’t know that this is true for someone hired today. Delta is hands down a better place to work with a better contract and a stronger union. There’s no debating that, but Delta just grew 45 percent in less than 3 years. Seniority is real and Delta’s progression is about to come to a crawl compared to what it was. The ugrade time is about to rise to around 9-10 years for someone hired today. Delta’s industry leading contract isn’t as industry leading as it used to be. The legacy contracts are all pretty similar. APA didn’t contribute anything, but they did a whole lot of copying from the other contracts.

Dude do you have any other hobbies other than saying "Delta is the best, I work there, I know" and hating on AA every second of your existence? With the amount of time I see you post on here, I don't think you play or even watch any hockey.

01-13-2024, 08:24 AM

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chrisreedrules

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Originally Posted by SoloPilot

I know a lot about it. But it doesn’t really matter to me one way or the other. Your house, your problems.

01-13-2024, 08:26 AM

#185

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Originally Posted by GrossNavError

Deltas Union is 1 million times better than APA.
Everything associated with AA is third tier ****, including it's pilot union.

We have plenty of our own issues at Delta too. I think there’s just a lot more kool-aid drinkers at Delta than AA so a lot more of the rose-tinted perspectives tend to make their way to the surface.

01-13-2024, 08:27 AM

#186

Werjower

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Originally Posted by GrossNavError

Deltas Union is 1 million times better than APA.
Everything associated with AA is third tier ****, including it's pilot union.

Once again my guy, if you're so miserable at AA do us all a favor and apply at Delta.

01-13-2024, 08:33 AM

#187

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

I know a lot about it. But it doesn’t really matter to me one way or the other. Your house, your problems.

You know this from voting No at Eagle and then jumping to PSA after they voted Yes?

Lol "your house, your problems," yet here you are, talking about "our problems," in "our house."

01-13-2024, 08:38 AM

#188

chrisreedrules

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Originally Posted by SoloPilot

You know this from voting No at Eagle and then jumping to PSA after they voted Yes?

Lol "your house, your problems," yet here you are, talking about "our problems," in "our house."

It’s a public forum. You can come on over to Delta and say whatever you want. If I was on some internal forum or Facebook page I could understand the consternation.

And without you being more specific re Eagle and PSA I’m not exactly sure what you’re referring to.

01-13-2024, 09:33 AM

#189

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Originally Posted by NC43rd

All this low level, back and forth with union/mgmt, is going to be present everywhere you go so I wouldnt let that cloud someones descision making.

It's worse at AA and APA. So it is definitely worth noting for a perspective new hire.

01-13-2024, 01:56 PM

#190

Easyflier301

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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

It's worse at AA and APA. So it is definitely worth noting for a perspective new hire.

Not sure about this. Seems like ALPA/DAL are having a lot harder time implementing/arguing about this round of contracts than AA/APA.

Heck, AA is even implementing pilot friendly items 15 months ahead of schedule out of the goodness of their hearts (Classification dates). The FB forums are fun to watch, "I'll be SHOCKED if they implement this on time!!!" (AA implements)....crickets.

DAL lots of fighting back and forth over various provisions. Could be wrong.