Originally Posted by NC43rd

I think DL is the better place to work looking at the total picture. I wouldnt make life long decisions on bases, it easy enough to move and find somewhere you can call home rather than commute for a career. AA isnt bad, at all, and given that the poster is already at AA I would give a tie breaker to status quo over leaving if they were truly 50/50 on the decision. DL has a much stronger balance sheet and the risk of bankruptcy isnt hanging over their heads as it is at AA. AA is commited to domestic flying wheras Delta is more of a global carrier where one could spend a large portion of their career flying a widebody. Stronger management team at DL. No risk of something wonky with the regional wholly owned hanging over the heads of DL. No weird organizational structure (like AAG) where AA is on the same level as regional pilots in the company for things like non-reving. Solid profit sharing at DL.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

These are my biggest beefs with AA. There is a level of oddity/dysfunction here that doesn't seem to exist elsewhere. I do think AA's finacials are coming around well.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

These are my biggest beefs with AA. There is a level of oddity/dysfunction here that doesn't seem to exist elsewhere. I do think AA's finacials are coming around well.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

It’s a combination of a hostile posture towards labor from your management and the gross ineptitude of your labor organization. Removing APA and installing ALPA will change your bylaws and the very fabric of your labor organization’s function and power. That’s a good start to changing the relationship with your management.

Originally Posted by airbusflieger

You will earn millions more with Delta over a career.

Millions.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I don’t know that this is true for someone hired today. Delta is hands down a better place to work with a better contract and a stronger union. There’s no debating that, but Delta just grew 45 percent in less than 3 years. Seniority is real and Delta’s progression is about to come to a crawl compared to what it was. The ugrade time is about to rise to around 9-10 years for someone hired today. Delta’s industry leading contract isn’t as industry leading as it used to be. The legacy contracts are all pretty similar. APA didn’t contribute anything, but they did a whole lot of copying from the other contracts.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

I’m not really a “my airline is better than your airline” type of person. We all have good jobs. Delta, United, and AA are all pretty similar at this point save for the nuances. As for seniority progression,

AA certainly trumps Delta as far as retirements are concerned. But I think Delta has far more growth potential (as long as demand remains strong) over the next 5-7 years. If Delta’s stated growth targets or 4% YOY hold true, that means we’ll have to hire 1,000-1,500 /year every year moving forward to cover that growth + mandatory retirements. So a pilot hired today could likely still upgrade relatively quick if that holds true.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

It’s a combination of a hostile posture towards labor from your management and the gross ineptitude of your labor organization. Removing APA and installing ALPA will change your bylaws and the very fabric of your labor organization’s function and power. That’s a good start to changing the relationship with your management.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

It’s a combination of a hostile posture towards labor from your management and the gross ineptitude of your labor organization. Removing APA and installing ALPA will change your bylaws and the very fabric of your labor organization’s function and power. That’s a good start to changing the relationship with your management.

Originally Posted by SoloPilot

What do you know about it, you don’t even work here?

Sounds like you guys have a great relationship with management over there at DAL:

“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

DAL VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot