highfarfast

This actually pushes this fence sitter toward ALPA so if that's what this is, so I don't think it's working. There's no need for the company to even consider a merger. The flow agreements allow them to flow as many more per month as they want... to the bottom of the senority list. No need to negotiate. No mess. Just flow all at once per current contract language or really fast or some such. Same effect as a staple.

No reason for a committee to explore a hard "no" on merged senority list with the WO. Staple? Fine. Fast flow or even flow all at once? Sure. Merger? Hard "no".

If forming this committee is just for optics, all it does is give false hope to certain regional pilots that they'll get merged into AA with built in senority so maybe it's better to stay at their WO... so it helps management staff their WO. I don't see how this helps pilots here or there at all.

8802

That's exactly what it is and I wouldn't even give it a second thought. Fear will be instilled that ALPA representation would result in 20-30 year RJ captains coming in and taking mainline seats with seniority, completely ignoring the fact that all of them have bypassed the opportunity to move to mainline and get an AA seniority number (for nearly a decade or more). If we didn't have the flow I could see an argument, but we do, so it's moot.

With the grenades that Sicher has lobbed at ALPA, I wouldn't be surprised for ALPA to take a hardline stance against any direct negotations with APA in advance of any announced merger like what happened at DAL and Endeavor just as a pronounced FU.

airbusflieger

Yet anohter ad hoc committee creaded by APA president ES to get more troops on the paid union leave sugar-train to gather support and toss a fear-grenade at line pilots.

The number of PU (paid union leave) trip drops mentioned on the Town Hall was just ufb. No wonder "open time limit exceeded" is the standard trade/drop response and in freaking JANUARY all trips are still red.

rdneckpilot

This would be the first integration of carriers which involved a subsidiary and an in place flow process prior to the integration.

In my opinion what the WO pilots need to be worried about is how the three WO are merged prior to the mass flow to mainline. That’s where the potential exists for career expectations to be affected.

Giving every WO pilot a number on the bottom of mainline overnight is a windfall in and of it self.

there should be fences in place but not a single eagle pilot will be senior to any mainline pilot.

any expectations otherwise are wildly inappropriate.

JulesWinfield

The parts I bolded are why this comittee is being formed, IMO. I don't think it is an APA moneygrab or disinformation campaign. If we let this go to some sort of arbitration, who knows what could happen? We need to make sure something is in place before AA begins this process, or we could potentially screw ourselves.

PatrickAA

Exactly. This is just FUD from the professional trip-dropping club because of the ALPA card drive while getting their buddies more paid leave. This is doing exactly as they intended and stirring up fear, uncertainty, and doubt about ALPA, with no actual plans for this to happen.

Certain members in leadership and committees are horrified of ALPA messing with their scheme of making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to avoid their trips and be in their own beds every night. "Just the facts," as they like to say, in repeated emails now trying to combat the hard drive.

Zerosilver84

It's not going to happen. Same thing was tossed around at Dal/Edv. I was at edv during the heat of it with the 2 unions. UA wants 28k pilots by the end of the decade... Does that mean they are going to bring in gojet/commute air? No it doesn't.

airbusflieger

No. It's APA protectionism horsesh__t.

Go to UAL or DAL. You will earn millions more, have far more chances at widebody if that is your thing (and it should be because done right, it's awesome).

CRJJ

Is this all the wisdom you gonna keep sharing in every thread? Go to DL/UA you will earn MILLIONS MORE, MILLIONS. Such a broken record.

airbusflieger

Wisodom? Debatable LoL, it is most definitly however, lived experience.

Did you miss the "better life" part?

I think pilots entering the legacy airline market should be given the truth.

Don't feel bad that it's a bbbbbroken record. It's the truth.

The first part of solving a problem is to identify the problem.

The lifestyle and earning popential at AA is far below UA and DL.