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Old 06-16-2024, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
ALPA wants it for the money and ALPA's alliance is with the AA pilots not APA. They should remain standofish with APA.
Absolutely. The only way this is going to get done is getting cards sent in and doing an end run around an APA BOD that has a history of ignoring what is in the best interests of its members.
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Old 06-16-2024, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew_VT
PMA has pretty much been made unnecessary with our new ESB. It was good timing too because the financials of the PMA program have been in decline for years now.

ALPA has a product that can replace our POD. It's an unsubsidized insurance product, why wouldn't they?
Fair point about PMA vs ESB, although combining them means that one's income can nearly be fully replaced for the 1st 12 months of a disability. The ALPA guys should make known with the corresponding ALPA programs are.
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Old 06-16-2024, 10:54 AM
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Never forget that APA spent $100,000 of our dues to pay some survey company to poll the pilots what our priorities for the new contract are, then manipulate the results to try to justify what they were always going to negotiate any way. Which were the easy things and what only the top of the seniority list wanted. Then try to claim that “Schedule Flexibility” was not a priority for the pilot group like we were all born yesterday? Like at what airline out there is schedule flexability not a top priority for the pilot group, other than pay?
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Old 06-16-2024, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
Never forget that APA spent $100,000 of our dues to pay some survey company to poll the pilots what our priorities for the new contract are, then manipulate the results to try to justify what they were always going to negotiate any way. Which were the easy things and what only the top of the seniority list wanted. Then try to claim that “Schedule Flexibility” was not a priority for the pilot group like we were all born yesterday? Like at what airline out there is schedule flexability not a top priority for the pilot group, other than pay?
What I also find Interesting is when you ask the APA apologists what is good about APA they don’t really have anything to say. It’s just Alpa bashing or fear mongering.
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Old 06-16-2024, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jk3728
What I also find Interesting is when you ask the APA apologists what is good about APA they don’t really have anything to say. It’s just Alpa bashing or fear mongering.
One percent dues should be their answer. If they can't even give that softball answer, hopefully they aren't anywhere near the negotiating team...

Of course, the one percent is really 1.3 percent because of the dues increase during negotiations. Isn't it a conflict of interest when APA makes more when we are trying to get a contract? Sounds like both sides of the table have incentive to drag things out...
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Old 06-16-2024, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
One percent dues should be their answer. If they can't even give that softball answer, hopefully they aren't anywhere near the negotiating team...

Of course, the one percent is really 1.3 percent because of the dues increase during negotiations. Isn't it a conflict of interest when APA makes more when we are trying to get a contract? Sounds like both sides of the table have incentive to drag things out...
Well you get what you pay for…. We clearly are paying for a discount union and get discount services lol
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Old 06-16-2024, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jk3728
Well you get what you pay for…. We clearly are paying for a discount union and get discount services lol
ALPA giving a 16% refund for dues paid in 2023 since members overpaid compared to the budget. ALPA just wants AA for the bargaining power… A lot more power in numbers
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Old 06-17-2024, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
ALPA just wants AA for the bargaining power… A lot more power in numbers
Bargaining Power in what context?
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Old 06-17-2024, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cornerpocket
Bargaining Power in what context?
ALPA lost some golden opportunities for bargaining in the last few years and now those windows are closing 🤷‍♂️
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Old 06-17-2024, 03:01 PM
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APA is still stuck in a world before consolidation of the Legacy carriers.

There are 3 of the original Legacy carriers remaining. Having all 3 under one Union would be unvbelieveably powerful. Having one outlier (AAL, APA) muddies the water considerably.

It's the closest we could ever see to a Guild.
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