Originally Posted by Swakid8

Whats that process look like for APA to recall and replace leadership?

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Up until recently, damn near impossible, but I believe the current APA BOD just approved some by law changes and term limits that could shake things up a bit.

APA has been on a bit of a PR blitz lately about aspects of the organization that work quite well for pilots, particularly Aeromedical and some of the supplemental LTD products. Mr Ed has basically threatened to burn it all down in the face of a representation change, while some of the ALPA folks have promised the moon in the wake of an APA decertification. The truth is somewhere in the middle, most likely, but neither side of the argument will admit that.

I think until those issues are addressed in a way that the pilot group trusts we won't see much happen one way or the other. My own view is the best avenue for the pro ALPA crowd to take is to keep aiming for Board seats that would allow them to advocate to restart the merger process that the BOD basically tore up.

Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

Nonexistent. Nobody has ever been recalled at APA and that's not because they were doing such a great job. Once in power they are entrenched until they want to leave.

Originally Posted by Sliceback

There is a process. It's hard to achieve and has never been used. Fifity percent plus 1 of the base has to agree to have a petition to remove the officer. Then there's a vote that also requires 50% +1 of the to remove.

Originally Posted by kme9418

25% to initiate a recall vote for National Officers or Domicile officers. (Constitution and Bylaws Article IV, Section 5 and Article VI, Section 3)

Originally Posted by Swakid8

Whats that process look like for APA to recall and replace leadership?

Originally Posted by FXLAX

Just to add some context on ALPA crapping the bed at Fedex, yes, that is true. But it was specifically FDX ALPA, not ALPA national. It was the MEC that failed by relying on a years old polling to gauge what the pilot group wanted. The FedEx pilot group demographic is changing at a rapid pace. When the MEC was formulating their negotiating plan in early 2021, the pilot group wanted a focused negotiation concentrating on retirment benefits. By the time the TA was published, management had already begun a transformation of the company which pointed towards outsourcing. We are in the beggining of the equivalent of the legacy's regional outsourcing battle. Not to mention a new CEO whose last name is not Smith and new renegade baord members that are hellbent on continauly and simultaneously increasing dividends and stock buy backs while contemplating selling of the most profitable part of the company, the freight division. I know you have all been through these situations but its all new at fedex. Honeymoon is finally over and the previous MEC didn't want to admit it.

The ta actually loosened scope language, other sections lagged, and the focused parts were concenssionary in order to get the gains in retirment, which fell below expectations anyway. Thankfully it failed. ALPA national had nothing to do with any of that. ALPA national does not dictate to any pilot group what negotiating priorities, or polling requirements, or timelines, etc. They are hands off when it comes to what each MEC does in negotaitions.

Out of the 14 reps and 3 officers on the MEC 11 were replaced (8 were recalled) and 3 were up for re-election but decided not to run for re-election. The negotating committee was completely replaced as well. Since then, ALPA national has redirected all their resources to the Fedex pilot group. They have been paying for all expenses to train everyone above and beyond the regular rep training that all new reps get at any ALPA airline, they have been pouring polling resources, and hired an outside scope attorney specifically for scope negotiations. They've pretty much have opened up the war chest for us.

Anyway, just wanted to explain who actually crapped the bed and how its starting to turn around. With the help of ALPA national and pilot group resolve, I don't see why we cant have a better TA just as DALPA and UALPA had after their failed TAs.

Good luck with whatever you end up choosing, if you get a choice to pick. I hope you can join ALPA and infuse it with some new blood. You are a large pilt group and am sure you have many talented ones that can help the entire profession if we joined together.

Originally Posted by Snake1234

That is a lot of words to say your local ALPA MEC couldn’t negotiate a contract in the MOST favorable box flying environment in 2021-2023.

Originally Posted by Snake1234

Again, how would the AA pilot group benefit by moving from APA to ALPA?

Originally Posted by Snake1234

That is a lot of words to say your local ALPA MEC couldn’t negotiate a contract in the MOST favorable box flying environment in 2021-2023. Again, how would the AA pilot group benefit by moving from APA to ALPA?

Originally Posted by jerryleber

Not for freight.

Unions derive their power from unity. The more pilots under the ALPA umbrella the more powerful ALPA becomes and the better pilots will do all else being equal. The ALPA structure still allows a high level of autonomy of each MEC for better or for worse, but more pilot groups within ALPA fosters more coordination between the pilot groups, better decision making and a more unified and powerful voice in DC where the rubber meets the road.

I think the APA's, Captain Dennis Tajer, might be the best pilot spokesperson I have seen, especially on the 737 MAX. But I'd be hard-pressed to recall any other significant APA strengths or accomplishments in the past 30 years and plenty of failures. Maybe you can give us the affirmative case for the APA.