Sign the alpa card - end apa dysfunction
06-25-2024, 09:40 AM
#161
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Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
06-25-2024, 05:44 PM
#162
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Well, it was a her.
Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
06-25-2024, 07:10 PM
#163
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Posts: 180
Well, it was a her.
Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
Hey, APA couldn’t even raise the bar by a single. penny. Not a single penny. Instead of pattern bargaining APA just copy/pasted. Anyone at American still buying into that absolute pile of BS is delusional.
Last edited by CRJphlyer; 06-25-2024 at 07:21 PM.
06-25-2024, 08:45 PM
#164
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This is no place for facts or logic. Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good ole’ fashion APA smear job.
Hey, APA couldn’t even raise the bar by a single. penny. Not a single penny. Instead of pattern bargaining APA just copy/pasted. Anyone at American still buying into that absolute pile of BS is delusional.
Hey, APA couldn’t even raise the bar by a single. penny. Not a single penny. Instead of pattern bargaining APA just copy/pasted. Anyone at American still buying into that absolute pile of BS is delusional.
06-25-2024, 09:13 PM
#165
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This is no place for facts or logic. Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good ole’ fashion APA smear job.
Hey, APA couldn’t even raise the bar by a single. penny. Not a single penny. Instead of pattern bargaining APA just copy/pasted. Anyone at American still buying into that absolute pile of BS is delusional.
Hey, APA couldn’t even raise the bar by a single. penny. Not a single penny. Instead of pattern bargaining APA just copy/pasted. Anyone at American still buying into that absolute pile of BS is delusional.
- a collective bargaining technique in which contract terms in one settlement are used as models to be imposed on other negotiating parties within an industry.
Every idiot thinks “pattern bargaining” means you have to one up the last guy. AAs contract improvements exceeded deltas by a more than a billion. I’m not crying they didn’t increase the NB rate by one percent. You’ve been at two majors by 30, enjoy hitting the timing jackpot.
06-26-2024, 04:43 AM
#166
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pattern bargaining:
Every idiot thinks “pattern bargaining” means you have to one up the last guy. AAs contract improvements exceeded deltas by a more than a billion. I’m not crying they didn’t increase the NB rate by one percent. You’ve been at two majors by 30, enjoy hitting the timing jackpot.
- a collective bargaining technique in which contract terms in one settlement are used as models to be imposed on other negotiating parties within an industry.
Every idiot thinks “pattern bargaining” means you have to one up the last guy. AAs contract improvements exceeded deltas by a more than a billion. I’m not crying they didn’t increase the NB rate by one percent. You’ve been at two majors by 30, enjoy hitting the timing jackpot.
Last edited by FangsF15; 06-26-2024 at 05:26 AM.
06-26-2024, 07:33 AM
#168
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,244
Well, it was a her.
Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
Whatever impact Ed’s comments had on the situation, folks need to know that there were literally something like 5 remaining open times in 2 sections of the contract. Allllll the rest of the gains had already been TA’d. Playing off Ed’s mouth as somehow being responsible for DL’s gains is a huge disservice to DL’s negotiating committee absolutely rocking the company. Those 4 guys’ preparation and incredible hard work got us our contract, not Ed.
Frankly, the only thing I think Ed’s comments actually impacted was the timing, and not so much on the top line number…. Our pilot group was very engaged and motivated for the long haul if needed.
We can talk about how it could have gone differently another day, but the negotiating committee, MEC/Rep quality, and pilot group resolve are critical to gains.
I laugh a little when pilots gush about "how unified the pilots were and how hard they fought". What? I'm a union supporter but let's not get carried away. Most picketing events get 50 pilots most of whom are union insiders. Pilots don't fight contracts no matter how much they brag and thump their chests after the fact that they had some part other than voting.
I think you greatly diminish how much Bastian pizzed off the mediator with his arrogant comments on TV. That was a really dumb move. And from what I heard from my buddies over there at Widget she showed up in RDU and made the union an offer they couldn't refuse which became your contract. From what I hear and read right here on APC many pilots think that negotiating committee didn't rock anything and caved. So maybe stop with the DL humble bragging here on the AA page. Thanks for your help but we've got this.
06-26-2024, 07:36 AM
#169
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Posts: 102
pattern bargaining:
Every idiot thinks “pattern bargaining” means you have to one up the last guy. AAs contract improvements exceeded deltas by a more than a billion. I’m not crying they didn’t increase the NB rate by one percent. You’ve been at two majors by 30, enjoy hitting the timing jackpot.
- a collective bargaining technique in which contract terms in one settlement are used as models to be imposed on other negotiating parties within an industry.
Every idiot thinks “pattern bargaining” means you have to one up the last guy. AAs contract improvements exceeded deltas by a more than a billion. I’m not crying they didn’t increase the NB rate by one percent. You’ve been at two majors by 30, enjoy hitting the timing jackpot.
06-26-2024, 07:39 AM
#170
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