AllYourBaseAreB

AA dues go to 1.5% during negotiations. Averages out to be 1.3% historically. They are doing a dues holiday to refund some of the war chest.

Judge Smails

Yeah well the resources at ALPA have brought some good contracts to DAL & UAL. Let's face it, ALPA did the heavy lifting this time guys. Adding AAL will only add to the strength moving forward. Contracts are not the only issue, we need as much lobbying power as possible with the single pilot push that's coming.

aa73

^^^ this times 10000

SheepDogg

No, the Pilots and their individual MEC/LECs at DAL & UAL achieved those good contracts. The fact that ALPA is their union is a correlation, not a causation. Whether AA Pilots stay with APA or switch to ALPA, don't expect things to change here. It will be the same pilot group with the same disunity and the same Reps ( the good and the bad ). Those thinking ( hoping ) that ALPA will magically transform the AA pilot group into what Delta ALPA is, are living in a fantasy world. We need change, we need unity and we need to do better but that is going to have to come from within ( IE hard work). Putting on a new set of clothes will change nothing.

The latest APA Bylaw change vote had a little over 2,000 pilots vote. 12,000 pilots couldn't be bothered to weigh in on a change to our Base Reps Terms and Length of Service. Sadly, our actual Base Rep elections don't get much more participation ( 30-40%). We definitley have a problem as Unionized Pilots at AA but it's not the name over the door or the ease of Rep Recall that is causing us to come up short. To fix the problems at APA, it will take a lot of hard work, dedication and resolve demonstrated by all ~15,000 ( active line ) AA Pilots, those hoping for a simple quick fix by switching to ALPA are in for a real wake up call. Although, I guess the expectation of having someone else fix your problems with a quick, easy fix is the New American Way.

Enjoy your pill.

jerryleber

That's actually a big difference. With ALPA the MECs elect officers and change the bylaws not the line pilots. Another is as a result of the size and many ALPA pilot groups the professional staff sees more different situations and builds stronger relationships with regulators and legislators. Then there is the AFL-CIO affiliation. You can see that 'corporate knowledge' in the behavior as opposed to the APA's history that includes the B-scale in 1983 that took decades to fix, the aborted strike in 1997 and the rejection of their C2000 just prior to 9/11.

Obviously, the pilot group is a huge part of the equation, but union power comes from unity. Managements love independent (company) unions. That's all you really need to know.

JulesWinfield

It was DAL that did the heavy lifting. Do you not remember the Tumi TA United ALPA came up with?

jerryleber

Yep. Do you remember the 94% Tumi no vote and recalls? I remember the Delta 2015 no vote and recalls and the 'Delta (777) Dot' in 2000. That's why they call it pattern bargaining.

Delta pilot contract history

JulesWinfield

OK, but you can't say we rode their coattails when we did the exact same thing. American and United pilots both rode Delta's coattails. American and United pilots both rejected subpar TAs. As someone else said, the union is only as good as the people you vote in. Garbage in, garbage out.

jerryleber

Nobody said that as far as I know.

SoloPilot

Ed Bastian spouting off "there is no possibility (the pilot group) can strike" apparently didn't sit well with the mediator, so we can also thank him.