Sign the alpa card - end apa dysfunction
06-19-2024, 07:35 AM
#91
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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You're using an anecdote from a PREVIOUS DAL contract and reps who I believe were all recalled in 2015 to scare people into not voting for ALPA because "Delta's contract sucks"? You cannot be serious.
I think the stall is down to just a few short straws now.
What year did you retire Sliceback? You're one of the original nAAtive Americans.
I think the stall is down to just a few short straws now.
What year did you retire Sliceback? You're one of the original nAAtive Americans.
You think my posting this will 'scare' people? Hahahaha. Come on man, switch to decaf.
Where did I say DL's contract sucks? It's been the best contract for years but some of APA's provisons are better. That gets lost by the 'let's go ALPA' proponenets. The differences are trivial.
Retired a year ago. Been listening to 'let's go ALPA' for decades.
The biggest internal weakness APA has is the recall provisions. I've pushed for it for years. The membership could GAS and didn't demand it. The reps loved being bullet proof. No rep has ever been removed.
06-19-2024, 07:44 AM
#92
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,154
There's no obvious guidance if the system has changed. It was how DL implemented SC conversions. Do you have anything that it's changed?
You think my posting this will 'scare' people? Hahahaha. Come on man, switch to decaf.
Where did I say DL's contract sucks? It's been the best contract for years but some of APA's provisons are better. That gets lost by the 'let's go ALPA' proponenets. The differences are trivial.
Retired a year ago. Been listening to 'let's go ALPA' for decades.
The biggest internal weakness APA has is the recall provisions. I've pushed for it for years. The membership could GAS and didn't demand it. The reps loved being bullet proof. No rep has ever been removed.
You think my posting this will 'scare' people? Hahahaha. Come on man, switch to decaf.
Where did I say DL's contract sucks? It's been the best contract for years but some of APA's provisons are better. That gets lost by the 'let's go ALPA' proponenets. The differences are trivial.
Retired a year ago. Been listening to 'let's go ALPA' for decades.
The biggest internal weakness APA has is the recall provisions. I've pushed for it for years. The membership could GAS and didn't demand it. The reps loved being bullet proof. No rep has ever been removed.
With all due respect you're retired and this isn't your fight. There's no reason for you to carry APA's water any more and frankly your data is outdated. A lot has changed here in the last few years as we have hired almost 40% of the seniority list.
06-19-2024, 07:55 AM
#93
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Joined APC: Feb 2022
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AA Pilots left ALPA because ALPA was prioritizing ALPA National's self interest over the interests of AA pilots and that is as true today as it was when back then. AA pilots will have the same problems with ALPA MEC/LEC Reps as they have with APA Reps but with an additional layer of ALPA National Fat Cats looking out for their own self interest at our expense.
06-19-2024, 08:01 AM
#94
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you can commute up the first 2 hours of SC and you’re released early every time. So you only have to sit SC for 7 hours and you’re commuting up the first 2 hours of SC… or your just sit at home for SC and get paid extra if you aren’t used.
06-19-2024, 08:48 AM
#95
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I’ve had 0 this month. In the past it’s 2-3 / month. And I bid it for the extra pay. Max is 6x a month. You can pick up more than 6 and then it’s 2 hours of extra pay regardless of it you’re used or not.
you can commute up the first 2 hours of SC and you’re released early every time. So you only have to sit SC for 7 hours and you’re commuting up the first 2 hours of SC… or your just sit at home for SC and get paid extra if you aren’t used.
you can commute up the first 2 hours of SC and you’re released early every time. So you only have to sit SC for 7 hours and you’re commuting up the first 2 hours of SC… or your just sit at home for SC and get paid extra if you aren’t used.
I can acknowledge that I prefer AA's LC system but still feel that the card drive should proceed.
06-19-2024, 10:43 AM
#96
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1. It's 14 hours outside of DOTC once implemented in September, not during DOTC.
2. We also get 1 hr of pay if you go unused after a conversion. And another hour of pay if it happened on your last day. And it all stacks. So it's 1.5 hours paid after every involuntary conversion to SC if you go unused and 2.5 hours paid if unused if it was your last day. And can only be converted 5 times a month involuntarily.
You can have your own thoughts on that, but simply providing the info.
2. We also get 1 hr of pay if you go unused after a conversion. And another hour of pay if it happened on your last day. And it all stacks. So it's 1.5 hours paid after every involuntary conversion to SC if you go unused and 2.5 hours paid if unused if it was your last day. And can only be converted 5 times a month involuntarily.
You can have your own thoughts on that, but simply providing the info.
06-19-2024, 11:34 AM
#97
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Isn't everyone at DL on long call to start with, where as we have to hold enough seniority to get longcall, so they are ahead to start with. Then getting 18 hrs notice of an assignment or a SC conversion - The pay is just the icing on the cake really. QOL is better for reserves, with the exception of call out time from SC.
06-19-2024, 11:40 AM
#98
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yeah, everyone at DL is on LC if you’re on reserve. Released at 0600 on last day of LC if nothing assigned. Can’t be assigned anything before 1000 on first day of LC as well, that’s the only part that isn’t a true 18 hour call out… not sure how you all settled on 14 hour call out when DL and UA got 18 hour call out as standard reserve.. I guess that’s APA raising the bar
06-19-2024, 11:41 AM
#99
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As a friend -
APA contract comparison review -
AA leads - reserve rules except for 18 hr call out for LC, vacation value, furlough provisions, 321 pay (matches 757 pay while others 321 pay doesn't match 757 pay).
AA lags - deadheading, monthly sick hour accural, reassignment/premium pay, 2 CA's for long haul flights (12 hrs trigger vs 16 hr), life insurance (UA lags for FO's vs AA).
Scope - mixed bag. I'd have to ask a SME to explain the details
Retiree medical - AA lags? Need to ask SME to explain the details
Monthly hr caps? Delta seems like it might be slighly worse? Again I'd have to defer to a SME.
LTD - UA lags.
Does UA still have the airport standby provision? Beats me.
IDK how you get "far superior" and "far inferior" when the plusses and minuses are so close and a lot of stuff is the exact same.
APA contract comparison review -
AA leads - reserve rules except for 18 hr call out for LC, vacation value, furlough provisions, 321 pay (matches 757 pay while others 321 pay doesn't match 757 pay).
AA lags - deadheading, monthly sick hour accural, reassignment/premium pay, 2 CA's for long haul flights (12 hrs trigger vs 16 hr), life insurance (UA lags for FO's vs AA).
Scope - mixed bag. I'd have to ask a SME to explain the details
Retiree medical - AA lags? Need to ask SME to explain the details
Monthly hr caps? Delta seems like it might be slighly worse? Again I'd have to defer to a SME.
LTD - UA lags.
Does UA still have the airport standby provision? Beats me.
IDK how you get "far superior" and "far inferior" when the plusses and minuses are so close and a lot of stuff is the exact same.
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