Qal - phl/dca/clt/ord
10-08-2023, 04:49 PM
#11
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This is exactly what I did when I started class in Feb. DCA for 1 month before moving to PHL. Flying is better, seniority is better (I'm 68%), and it's not DCA (I might hate that airport more than LGA).
10-09-2023, 04:31 AM
#12
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10-09-2023, 09:15 AM
#13
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Position: Airbus FO
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DCA doesn’t have the variety that PHL has, but I love it. The only drawback for me is that we fly so many SEL 8s into there so we have to do the LDA Z on a regular basis. But that’s about to be a non-issue when the new replacement GPS approach goes live early next year. I can’t wait for that one!
10-09-2023, 11:43 AM
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DCA doesn’t have the variety that PHL has, but I love it. The only drawback for me is that we fly so many SEL 8s into there so we have to do the LDA Z on a regular basis. But that’s about to be a non-issue when the new replacement GPS approach goes live early next year. I can’t wait for that one!
10-09-2023, 12:05 PM
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Position: Airbus FO
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Despite lots of newhires coming in on the Bus, there are very few upgrades in the recent vacancies. There were none at all in the one that just came out. Upgrade on the 737 in DCA went to people with less than 24 months.
10-09-2023, 01:18 PM
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What does the "training center job options" look like for AA pilots in CLT? Schedules, pay, etc. We're eyeballing foothill NC areas for post .mil life, and DL and AA are neck and neck for my personal circumstances as far as work options, if I decide to go 121.
10-09-2023, 03:45 PM
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i dont think its clear what the job will actually look like, but they created an “instructor pilot” position in the new contract. Its a position open to FOs to teach non-jeopardy events in the box.
10-09-2023, 03:50 PM
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The FO instructors pay very good, but there are very few of those positions currently and are being looked at as a stepping stone for becoming a Check Airman later down the road. You essentially get top of the AA FO pay scale. There were "thousands" of applications for the first 12 positions, so no one is really sure how it will shake out over time. As of now, they will only be teaching in DFW, so it will be 1 month as a seat fill in DFW, and then one month flying the line. And so forth.
If you don't have a job offer from either, I don't think I would stress about much right now other than trying to get a job. There are still a lot of good pilots getting turned down by the legacy airlines and getting a job is not as easy as you may think. Even with the current hiring environment, you really can't just assume you will get a job offer from DAL and AAL both and then get to choose. More than likely you will get one (if any) CJO and take the one that you get.
10-09-2023, 05:58 PM
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10-09-2023, 09:32 PM
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Non-pilot training jobs (ground instructors and initial sim instructors) are fairly low pay. They are unionized and you bid for your schedule based on your seniority in that position, but it is pretty low as compared to pilot jobs. I would expect to make well under $100k as a ground instructor.
The FO instructors pay very good, but there are very few of those positions currently and are being looked at as a stepping stone for becoming a Check Airman later down the road. You essentially get top of the AA FO pay scale. There were "thousands" of applications for the first 12 positions, so no one is really sure how it will shake out over time. As of now, they will only be teaching in DFW, so it will be 1 month as a seat fill in DFW, and then one month flying the line. And so forth.
If you don't have a job offer from either, I don't think I would stress about much right now other than trying to get a job. There are still a lot of good pilots getting turned down by the legacy airlines and getting a job is not as easy as you may think. Even with the current hiring environment, you really can't just assume you will get a job offer from DAL and AAL both and then get to choose. More than likely you will get one (if any) CJO and take the one that you get.
The FO instructors pay very good, but there are very few of those positions currently and are being looked at as a stepping stone for becoming a Check Airman later down the road. You essentially get top of the AA FO pay scale. There were "thousands" of applications for the first 12 positions, so no one is really sure how it will shake out over time. As of now, they will only be teaching in DFW, so it will be 1 month as a seat fill in DFW, and then one month flying the line. And so forth.
If you don't have a job offer from either, I don't think I would stress about much right now other than trying to get a job. There are still a lot of good pilots getting turned down by the legacy airlines and getting a job is not as easy as you may think. Even with the current hiring environment, you really can't just assume you will get a job offer from DAL and AAL both and then get to choose. More than likely you will get one (if any) CJO and take the one that you get.
