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Old 10-27-2023, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
American lost money while United and Delta made money last quarter. Seems simple.
And American made money while Delta and United lost money in the 1Q. What’s your point 🙄
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Old 10-28-2023, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
American lost money while United and Delta made money last quarter. Seems simple.
American had a large one time payment to pilots. Otherwise, they would have shown a profit. Read the footnotes.
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Old 10-29-2023, 06:04 AM
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There's a lot of QQ in here from non-AA pilots. Makes me laugh.
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Old 10-29-2023, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
American lost money while United and Delta made money last quarter. Seems simple.
Re-read the 10-Qs from 1Q23 at DL and UA and then get back to us.
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Old 10-29-2023, 07:20 AM
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Not big on defending management at all, but the amount of people zeroed in on AA's loss and United and Delta's profit is comical. It doesn't take much effort to see why AA was 500m in a hole last quarter.
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Old 10-30-2023, 08:18 AM
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Disclaimer: I am an idiot.

Us mortals can look at the "numbers" and think we know what is going on with American. The truth is we can not.

I have 160 shares of AAL at an average price of $16. This stock used to be in the 50's just 6 years ago. I saw the drop in price and bought for all the reasons everyone has posted here: largest network, sunbelt cities, debt pay down, young fleet, etc, etc. "it has to come back" always rattled around in my pea brain. There is a reason the stock is $11 and slowly dropping lower. I don't know what that reason is but the big traders do.

Am I saying AA is going Chapter 11? Nope but the smart guys think they might and the stock is priced for that. That is all I need to know.

Here are the negatives for AAL. Highest seat costs in the industry. Also look at our hubs. I read an article saying we have to fly passengers farther to get them to their destination than say UAL. IDK, remember I am an idiot so I can not explain it here but suffice it say wall street wasn't overly impressed. Say CMH-DFW-LAX or CMH-DEN-LAX, what will burn less fuel? CMH-MIA-MEX or CMH-IAH-MEX. On paper our hubs look great to me but this article was pretty critical of AA's hub layout.

With all that said: the worst and best thing to happen to AAL in the last few years was Robert Isom getting promoted to CEO and that David guy taking over operations. He has this place running way better. The next step is for Robert Isom to leave/stepdown and get someone with half a brain in as the CEO. Not impressed with our current CEO but he was an absolute train wreck for operations so thank goodness he got promoted. F up, move up!

I would love for this stock to hit $60 again!
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Old 10-30-2023, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
Disclaimer: I am an idiot.

Us mortals can look at the "numbers" and think we know what is going on with American. The truth is we can not.

I have 160 shares of AAL at an average price of $16. This stock used to be in the 50's just 6 years ago. I saw the drop in price and bought for all the reasons everyone has posted here: largest network, sunbelt cities, debt pay down, young fleet, etc, etc. "it has to come back" always rattled around in my pea brain. There is a reason the stock is $11 and slowly dropping lower. I don't know what that reason is but the big traders do.

Am I saying AA is going Chapter 11? Nope but the smart guys think they might and the stock is priced for that. That is all I need to know.

Here are the negatives for AAL. Highest seat costs in the industry. Also look at our hubs. I read an article saying we have to fly passengers farther to get them to their destination than say UAL. IDK, remember I am an idiot so I can not explain it here but suffice it say wall street wasn't overly impressed. Say CMH-DFW-LAX or CMH-DEN-LAX, what will burn less fuel? CMH-MIA-MEX or CMH-IAH-MEX. On paper our hubs look great to me but this article was pretty critical of AA's hub layout.

With all that said: the worst and best thing to happen to AAL in the last few years was Robert Isom getting promoted to CEO and that David guy taking over operations. He has this place running way better. The next step is for Robert Isom to leave/stepdown and get someone with half a brain in as the CEO. Not impressed with our current CEO but he was an absolute train wreck for operations so thank goodness he got promoted. F up, move up!

I would love for this stock to hit $60 again!
Look at the past 2 years of stock prices for the Big 3 and report back with any differences you can find. The nominal price per share is not important. The performance among the three airlines is damn-near identical.
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
Disclaimer: I am an idiot.

Us mortals can look at the "numbers" and think we know what is going on with American. The truth is we can not.

I have 160 shares of AAL at an average price of $16. This stock used to be in the 50's just 6 years ago. I saw the drop in price and bought for all the reasons everyone has posted here: largest network, sunbelt cities, debt pay down, young fleet, etc, etc. "it has to come back" always rattled around in my pea brain. There is a reason the stock is $11 and slowly dropping lower. I don't know what that reason is but the big traders do.

Am I saying AA is going Chapter 11? Nope but the smart guys think they might and the stock is priced for that. That is all I need to know.

Here are the negatives for AAL. Highest seat costs in the industry. Also look at our hubs. I read an article saying we have to fly passengers farther to get them to their destination than say UAL. IDK, remember I am an idiot so I can not explain it here but suffice it say wall street wasn't overly impressed. Say CMH-DFW-LAX or CMH-DEN-LAX, what will burn less fuel? CMH-MIA-MEX or CMH-IAH-MEX. On paper our hubs look great to me but this article was pretty critical of AA's hub layout.

With all that said: the worst and best thing to happen to AAL in the last few years was Robert Isom getting promoted to CEO and that David guy taking over operations. He has this place running way better. The next step is for Robert Isom to leave/stepdown and get someone with half a brain in as the CEO. Not impressed with our current CEO but he was an absolute train wreck for operations so thank goodness he got promoted. F up, move up!

I would love for this stock to hit $60 again!
Clt has the shortest average distance flown of any major us hub. Dfw is among the highest, which is why our fuel bill is the highest even though we have a young fleet. Be patient, our hubs are strategic to where the population shift is occurring, and most of them are low cost per passenger. We’re the most unionized company with the highest cost structure, combine that with our debt and our flat net income, and that’s my opinion of why our share price blows.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
Disclaimer: I am an idiot.

Us mortals can look at the "numbers" and think we know what is going on with American. The truth is we can not.

I have 160 shares of AAL at an average price of $16. This stock used to be in the 50's just 6 years ago. I saw the drop in price and bought for all the reasons everyone has posted here: largest network, sunbelt cities, debt pay down, young fleet, etc, etc. "it has to come back" always rattled around in my pea brain. There is a reason the stock is $11 and slowly dropping lower. I don't know what that reason is but the big traders do.

Am I saying AA is going Chapter 11? Nope but the smart guys think they might and the stock is priced for that. That is all I need to know.

Here are the negatives for AAL. Highest seat costs in the industry. Also look at our hubs. I read an article saying we have to fly passengers farther to get them to their destination than say UAL. IDK, remember I am an idiot so I can not explain it here but suffice it say wall street wasn't overly impressed. Say CMH-DFW-LAX or CMH-DEN-LAX, what will burn less fuel? CMH-MIA-MEX or CMH-IAH-MEX. On paper our hubs look great to me but this article was pretty critical of AA's hub layout.

With all that said: the worst and best thing to happen to AAL in the last few years was Robert Isom getting promoted to CEO and that David guy taking over operations. He has this place running way better. The next step is for Robert Isom to leave/stepdown and get someone with half a brain in as the CEO. Not impressed with our current CEO but he was an absolute train wreck for operations so thank goodness he got promoted. F up, move up!

I would love for this stock to hit $60 again!
Why compare CMH-MIA/IAH-MEX when you can fly to DFW instead?

Why not suggest the United route of CMH-EWR-MEX while you're at it?
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
Why compare CMH-MIA/IAH-MEX when you can fly to DFW instead?

Why not suggest the United route of CMH-EWR-MEX while you're at it?
To be fair, he added a disclaimer
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