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Old 09-16-2023, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
And it keeps them warm at night when they have no girlfriend to cuddle with. After all, some of those Canadian nights can get pretty cold.
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Old 09-16-2023, 05:53 PM
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And it keeps them warm at night when they have no girlfriend to cuddle with. After all, some of those Canadian nights can get pretty cold.
Ouch!


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Old 09-17-2023, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.
”That’s the way we did it in the Navy”.
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Old 09-17-2023, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueOceanSky
Theres a group at AA pushing to change appearance policy to allow short and neatly trimmed beards. This is old school managment's attempt to push this idea further away, not realizing that FA's have beards and they have to utilize the JS oxygen in the flight deck during pilot out of flight deck protocols.
APA letting management dictate how to run the JS

That’s been happening, since, forever…….
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Old 09-17-2023, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
There is no rationalization for it, it makes absolutely zero sense other than some boomers who are still clinging to their old cranky ways. It's not for safety, and it's not for professionalism... otherwise they wouldn't let the FA's have facial hair.
I'm not rationalizing anything, just speculating on management thought process.

And let's be real, the public has different expectations for FAs and pilots.
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Old 09-17-2023, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
It is crazy that male FAs can have beards, earrings, crazy hair, tattoos, etc, but it is unprofessional for pilots to do the same. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard, because they deal with the customers directly. There's plenty of executives with beards, including Vasu.
I have to disagree, personally. We are in a safety-oriented position (so are FA's to some extent, but pax lives are in our hands, not the FA's) and passengers will judge us on our appearance, even if it really has little correlation to the skill or safety of a pilot. Passengers don't get to see us working up front, so they will judge based on what they can see. First impressions are important, and pulling up to the gate looking clean and professional is key to putting passengers at ease.

Pilots are held to a high standard, and it's an important standard to uphold. I would love to have a beard, but I knew when I started in this profession that I was giving up the ability to have one during my working days.
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Old 09-17-2023, 12:54 PM
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I have to disagree, personally. We are in a safety-oriented position (so are FA's to some extent, but pax lives are in our hands, not the FA's) and passengers will judge us on our appearance, even if it really has little correlation to the skill or safety of a pilot. Passengers don't get to see us working up front, so they will judge based on what they can see. First impressions are important, and pulling up to the gate looking clean and professional is key to putting passengers at ease.

Pilots are held to a high standard, and it's an important standard to uphold. I would love to have a beard, but I knew when I started in this profession that I was giving up the ability to have one during my working days.
I think pilots tend to overestimate how much customers care about this sort of thing. And even when they do care, the “well Hawaiian allows beards for their pilots so I’m gonna fly clean-shaven American to Kona!” rapidly becomes “welp Hawaiian is $0.99 cheaper so Ima choose that when I sort by price.”
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Old 09-17-2023, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thrust
I think pilots tend to overestimate how much customers care about this sort of thing. And even when they do care, the “well Hawaiian allows beards for their pilots so I’m gonna fly clean-shaven American to Kona!” rapidly becomes “welp Hawaiian is $0.99 cheaper so Ima choose that when I sort by price.”
I don't disagree with that, but I do think it plays more of a subconscious role in customer experience/perception than we would think.
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Originally Posted by thrust
I think pilots tend to overestimate how much customers care about this sort of thing.
Agreed.

When you're commuting/DH'ing and the passengers treat you like/ask if you're an FA, when you're in the cabin, 'nuff said.

When you're standing out front and people treat you like a skycap, 'nuff said...
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Old 09-17-2023, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
I have to disagree, personally. We are in a safety-oriented position (so are FA's to some extent, but pax lives are in our hands, not the FA's) and passengers will judge us on our appearance, even if it really has little correlation to the skill or safety of a pilot. Passengers don't get to see us working up front, so they will judge based on what they can see. First impressions are important, and pulling up to the gate looking clean and professional is key to putting passengers at ease.

Pilots are held to a high standard, and it's an important standard to uphold. I would love to have a beard, but I knew when I started in this profession that I was giving up the ability to have one during my working days.
FWIW, I agree with you, but passengers are mainly going to be interacting with FAs during an emergency or evacuation. There are plenty of professional looking people with beards, including some of our executives. We should all be held to the same standards.
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