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Old 08-23-2023, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mcdonald
This comment surprised me. What are the major differences between this contract and DL/UA?
Delta has better premium, sick, OE trip blocking (really lack thereof), some aspects of reserve, some RIGs, and profit sharing- mostly because Delta makes more money and doesn’t split the profits with their vastly non-union work force.

United has better deadhead rules, crew meals… and I guess will fix some of their awful reserve rules. Their new sick will be slightly better. TBD on most aspects.

AA matches on pay, but wouldn’t set a higher bar and mostly rode ALPA’s coattails. Most work rules are similar to slightly lagging. LTD and commuter policy are about the only real industry leading things, for now.
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Old 08-23-2023, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
Delta has better premium, sick, OE trip blocking (really lack thereof), some aspects of reserve, some RIGs, and profit sharing- mostly because Delta makes more money and doesn’t split the profits with their vastly non-union work force.

United has better deadhead rules, crew meals… and I guess will fix some of their awful reserve rules. Their new sick will be slightly better. TBD on most aspects.

AA matches on pay, but wouldn’t set a higher bar and mostly rode ALPA’s coattails. Most work rules are similar to slightly lagging. LTD and commuter policy are about the only real industry leading things, for now.

we (DL) do split our PS with our non union mainline workforce. But the formula is not split with endeavor employees.
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Old 08-23-2023, 12:20 PM
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I’m sure happy we don’t do what United does when we hit the combined 401 contribution limit
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Old 08-23-2023, 01:42 PM
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I’m sure happy we don’t do what United does when we hit the combined 401 contribution limit
What do they do?
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Old 08-23-2023, 01:47 PM
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What do they do?
I believe their company 401k contribution stops once they max out the 401k for the year, as opposed to it rolling over into your paycheck.
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Old 08-23-2023, 01:53 PM
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What do they do?
It goes into some sort of health care thing.
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Old 08-23-2023, 06:16 PM
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Yes, right now it ‘spills’ into our RHA, which is actually a pretty good deal. If you have a young family who is sick often, you can also use that account to reimburse yourself for out of pocket health expenses (premiums, copays, office visits, etc). That money goes into our RHA untaxed, grows taxfree, and is spent taxfree.

if our AIP passes, that money can also go into a MBCBP.
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Old 08-24-2023, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
Delta has better premium, sick, OE trip blocking (really lack thereof), some aspects of reserve, some RIGs, and profit sharing- mostly because Delta makes more money and doesn’t split the profits with their vastly non-union work force.

United has better deadhead rules, crew meals… and I guess will fix some of their awful reserve rules. Their new sick will be slightly better. TBD on most aspects.

AA matches on pay, but wouldn’t set a higher bar and mostly rode ALPA’s coattails. Most work rules are similar to slightly lagging. LTD and commuter policy are about the only real industry leading things, for now.
To add…AA’s contract also leads on NB pay rates (taken in aggregate) contractual trip construction limits, holiday pay, and total vacation amount over a career. Oh, and COVID LOA, which is still in place for another year, if that’s your thing.
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Old 08-24-2023, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Do you see the irony that you have the last post in the 3 top AA threads(as a Delta pilot).... and they are all about bashing ALPA?
But yet your contract has been constantly better than ours. Maybe you guys lack perspective.
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Old 08-24-2023, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
So in other words, shut up and color.

Nah. They deserve to know what they are getting in to, and not just from a bunch of sycophants.

And it's not just about dues. But it is a terrible investment.
Your post is noted. My ALPA drive card is still in the mail box waiting to be picked up.. Have you been under APA? Have you seen how AA management takes advantage and exploits our union and how quickly they cave? Have you seen how hard APA has made recalling someone on the Board? There are a lot of concessions and holes in this contract that AA can take full advantage of.
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