sumwherelse

why do people keep saying mediation is the answer? If you think this you have no clue what a mediator actually does!! Mediation is only successful if one or both parties want to move off their positions and a mediator has no mechanism to force them to do so. The company ain’t moving mediation won’t help that!!!

ImSoSuss

Yeah, she did not do herself any favors.

TankerDriver

Not that I defend or justify all of the PR/PM/OG assignments, but even if we could stop doing all of that without the company calling it a "work action" (same as striking), how much do you really think it'd effect the company? I think scheduling would have to work a bit harder to fill trips and I think they'd cancel a few flights, but our CURRENT contract is so full of ways for the company to screw us that I don't think they'd flinch. They'd adapt and they'd adapt at the cost of more QOL. More 4/5 day trips, 3-4 legs a day, more RO's, more RA's, reserves would get obliterated more than they do now. Haven't been worked into an off day on reserve? Haven't had a movable off day moved last minute? The company would say, "HOLD MY BEER". I just don't think any of you guys pointing fingers at the ones picking up overtime have any clue just how helpless we really are. You can see what they've been doing to combat their WO manning issue.
We are doing more WO flying with our 319's and 320's. No more volunteers for the Jelly of the Month program? Who cares?! The company is in business to make money off butts in seats. You walk through the airports every day of the week. They have plenty of butts in seats. Not being able to get someone to volunteer to teach a leadership class is a minuscule issue. They'll find someone even if they have to pull them out of a management position. Stop blaming members of the pilot group when we've been PAYING INCREASED DUES for the past 3-1/2 years so our union could negotiate on our behalf and would have been stuck with what we were about to be presented October of 2022 if it weren't for riding ALPA's coattails.

sumwherelse

I don’t disagree at all. In fact I’ve made that exact argument. The company will fill the seats if we do PR or not. The issue is when people like KM get her minions all frothed up to vote no and then go out and work for the company that can only mean one thing in my eyes!

I don’t think the metal stops moving but we sure as hell don’t send the message that we actually care about being third in anything! Even though we’re first in a lot of things!!!

ImSoSuss

Another horrible take by our Isom stooge. Go to any new hire class and take a poll on what would be common contract knowledge by somebody who has worked here 1-2 years. 95% of the people would fail a 10 question test whether they were mil, WO, regional, Part 91/135, etc. You come here assuming the contracts of the three legacies are the same except a few minor differences. That is what you expect. You expect an INDUSTRY STANDARD to be adhered to. That is not an unreasonable assumption. Nor is it unreasonable to fight for that. You really are a piece of work, the worst kind of peer in a pilot group. You would undermine your own grandmother if it would get you your retro check 2 months sooner.

sumwherelse

How low is your opinion of yourself that you have to constantly resort to name calling to try and prove your point?

I guess you’ve never heard the old adage about assuming have you. When I was applying for jobs I applied everywhere but I also knew as much as I could about each place so I knew what I was getting into at each. Other people’s lazy ignorance is not my responsibility and I have no patience for people who are too lazy to make an informed decision and then blame others because they don’t like what they signed up for.

ImSoSuss

What names did I call you that aren't 100% true and accurate? Does Isom pay you by the post here?

By the way your whole "well then why did you apply here" excuse for our horrible contract is basically you admitting our contract is pretty bad in the first place, in case you didn't realize that self-own there.

sumwherelse

Actually no it’s not because I’m not complaining about our contract. I have an excellent QOL and I can’t wait to make more money while enjoying it!

If you’re gonna complain about how bad the contract is, which I am NOT doing, then my question stands…why did you apply here?

ImSoSuss

I here nothing but "I's" and "me's" coming from your arguments. I rest my case on describing exactly who you are.

As far as your last question, I already answered it. Learn to read for comprehension.

TankerDriver

There's a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense in this post. American loves hiring military pilots for the exact reason you mentioned above. We're "mission hackers". Yes, I'll be the first one to admit that it took me a few years to get out of that mindset after doing it for almost two decades before coming here. It's even harder when you're going back and forth between this job and a Guard/Reserve gig, but just like ANY NEW JOB and especially one with a probationary period, you are going to show up and want to bust your ass, which is something most of us who've been in the military treat as second nature (aside from the few rejects that slipped through the cracks). Don't hate us. Just be glad you had people like this defending our country. It takes time to transition. If anyone thinks a military pilot is going to show up knowing all the ins and outs of an airline contract, how the airlines operate, how we get paid, how to work PBS, and so on and so forth, you're on another planet. No different than hiring a dude flying Gulfstreams for Big Pharma. "Mission Hacking" is a Type-A personality. I've seen my fare share of poop bags in the military that shouldn't have been there. They walk all faces of the Earth in every career field. You can't hold this personality trait against people who are now working a "piece of cake" job (you said it). There has to be a happy medium between being the laziest slug on Earth wanting more money to work less and being a mission hacker. It takes a while to figure this out when you haven't known anything else.