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Old 08-14-2023, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly76
Oh guess that means JetBlue is better then. I should apply tonight!
Just correcting your misleading response.
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Old 08-14-2023, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
"For sequences ending between 0000-0159 HBT"

So nothing for mid sequence and nothing for red-eye flying that is scheduled to get in after 0159. In other-words there is no night override at AA.
That's a curious interpretation. The ending of the sequence is when it matters most.

And I guess when you do operate operate JFK-MEX (leaving at 1900 day one) and then operate MEX-JFK the next day (leaving at 2300 day two and getting in at 0600 the next day) and get 15:45 with 5.3 soft pay for it being a three day, you get "nothing" for that...
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Old 08-14-2023, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
That's a curious interpretation. The ending of the sequence is when it matters most.

And I guess when you do operate operate JFK-MEX (leaving at 1900 day one) and then operate MEX-JFK the next day (leaving at 2300 day two and getting in at 0600 the next day) and get 15:45 with 5.3 soft pay for it being a three day, you get "nothing" for that...
Stop injecting facts and logic into Suss’ emotional arguments!!
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Old 08-14-2023, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Easyflier301
Keeping more pilots on reserve is inefficient for the company. Lineholders provide the company predictability and more productivity.

AA under current book has the highest percentage of reserves in the industry because as many have called out on these pages, it is a very pilot friendly (read: inefficient) system. For example…a majority of SC RSV pilots in my base/fleet/seat fly between 50-65 hours a month and get paid for 76.
The reserve system is inefficient because the Scheduling Directorate keeps it that way. They don’t want it to be efficient because that silo might be subject to downsizing. It’s an antiquated, incestuous system that, like most other principalities in AA Land, operate independently and, mostly hidden from C-suite management.
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Old 08-14-2023, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
That's a curious interpretation. The ending of the sequence is when it matters most.

And I guess when you do operate operate JFK-MEX (leaving at 1900 day one) and then operate MEX-JFK the next day (leaving at 2300 day two and getting in at 0600 the next day) and get 15:45 with 5.3 soft pay for it being a three day, you get "nothing" for that...
The question was "Does AA have night override". The answer is NO. Don't care about your strawman (which is basically what every other airline has any way), you're arguing with yourself. I haven't seen this much spin since the DC road show.
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Old 08-14-2023, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
The question was "Does AA have night override". The answer is NO. Don't care about your strawman (which is basically what every other airline has any way), you're arguing with yourself. I haven't seen this much spin since the DC road show.
You came up with the straw man acting like it's some travesty there isn't a "night override" if you get back after 0159 HBT. It's called another day of min day. As you said yourself, that's standard.

I don't have a vested interest in spinning the TA one way or another. I have minimal say and so do you with your singular vote (if you have one). Maybe someday after you retire you'll realize it wasn't all bad here and you'll wish you weren't so bitter about literally everything.
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Old 08-14-2023, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
You came up with the straw man acting like it's some travesty there isn't a "night override" if you get back after 0159 HBT. It's called another day of min day. As you said yourself, that's standard.

I don't have a vested interest in spinning the TA one way or another. I have minimal say and so do you with your singular vote (if you have one). Maybe someday after you retire you'll realize it wasn't all bad here and you'll wish you weren't so bitter about literally everything.
Nearly every airline has min day.

Does AA have night override?
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Old 08-14-2023, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
Nearly every airline has min day.

Does AA have night override?
Does every airline have night override? Do other airlines pay Long Haul NB override? Do other airlines pay 321 rates for 319/320?

my point is no place will have it all. Some will have better some will have worse.
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Old 08-14-2023, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AA717driver
The reserve system is inefficient because the Scheduling Directorate keeps it that way. They don’t want it to be efficient because that silo might be subject to downsizing. It’s an antiquated, incestuous system that, like most other principalities in AA Land, operate independently and, mostly hidden from C-suite management.
So a group of rogue middle managers intentionally keeps pilot scheduling inefficient unbeknownst to the Operations directors, in order to give their fellow schedulers better job security? Did those managers coordinate that agenda with the AA negotiating team in the new TA? As the kids say these days...omg...I just can't...

Hey, if so great! RSV will still be inefficient under the new system, "buckets" won't be the boogeyman people are thinking it may be, RSV will still go senior and pilots who bid it will continue to fly less but get paid more. Sign me up!
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Old 08-14-2023, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly76
Does every airline have night override? Do other airlines pay Long Haul NB override? Do other airlines pay 321 rates for 319/320?

my point is no place will have it all. Some will have better some will have worse.
Was that your point, or did you answer his question about night override with something that is not night override to hide the fact that AA does not have that?

The OP's question, does AA have night override? I want a yes or no answer from you.
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