sumwherelse

You didn’t answer the questions. Do you know how mediation works? Do you know the role of a mediator?

Delta got to where they got not because of a mediator but because they have a management team that knows their worth. Mediators are nothing but facilitators between two willing (or unwilling) parties. If the company isn’t going to budge any more than they have there isn't thing one a mediator can do about it and all your magic bag of beans mediation plan gets you is a waste of time.

educate yourself on the mediation process. And I mean that sincerely it is not the golden ticket so many no voters think it is!!

Easyflier301

Richest and most profitable legacy, by far, and STILL was in mediation for well over a year, and then reportedly only got their deal finalized following their CEO going on a national news network and ****ing off the mediator by saying the pilots couldn’t legally strike.

To expect that we could follow that same path by filing for immediate federal mediation and quickly win a few work rules, RIGS, and a pilot guaranteed trading system without losing any of the gains we currently stand to gain is just not realistic. Look at when SWAPAs and FDX ALPAs next scheduled meeting with their mediators are.

Easyflier301

I wouldn’t call it a cop out as much as a reality check. If it’s something the company wants eventually and it’s in the current contract and unimplemented, then it is leverage for them. Let’s take the reserve system and buckets, for example. They can tell us to take the current offer in the new TA (which we had a say in) or leave it, but one way or another it’s coming because if we turn down the TA, they will implement current book to drive efficiency gains anyway. Wouldn’t that be how you would negotiate for something you wanted if you had that leverage?

So assuming we argued and pushed hard for better but that is their position, our only options in the negotiation are to “call their bluff” and walk away on that portion (as suss puts it) but then if they call OUR bluff and press ahead, we are in a weaker position moving forward spending capital while trying to negotiate backwards, and meanwhile we will have a system we all hate and had no say in…

Will also add, at least for the reserve provisions, APA seemed willing to sacrifice more “leveling” on the reserve side resulting in productivity gains with the goal is creating more lineholders.

in our pilot group we have a number of folks complaining about the new reserve system (because they like reserve and have carved out a niche), but we also have tons of people on these pages complaining about the amount of reserves AA keeps (due to lack of productivity of current practices). If the amount of flying is static, which would we prefer? More lineholders creating more tradeability, or less efficient (and more) reserves? This is the problem the union faces.

OldWeasel

I just left a shop that had their last contract mediated. It didn't go well at all. If the issue of a few 65'ers is your only reason, be careful what you ask for. The financial effects of a lousy contract can last longer than the end of the contract.

palooza

guys like you make the mediator’s job easy. Good grief, surrendered before even showing resolve.

sumwherelse

And guys like you make the company salivate. I’ll ask you what I’ve asked others and still haven’t gotten an answer for. Do you know how mediation works? Do you even know the role of a mediator?

ImSoSuss

What specifically in the new contract requires AA to hold less reserve percentage per bid group? Or are we just taking their word on something....... again. Not like we never got burned on that before.

ImSoSuss

Really, it was guys like him that has forced management back to the table 3 times already. Meanwhile guys like you were jumping for joy at the Targeted Approach cause "you never know when the next ReCeSsIoN is coming"

sumwherelse

Its a more efficient system.

sumwherelse

nobody forced anyone to do anything. The first LOA was DOA that thing was a giant turd that’s why it never got past the board or even through the process. TA1.0 would have passed fairly easily and then United came along and required TA2.0.

oh…and Delta.

Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back you and your “no” army had little to do with where we are now. Pattern bargaining in real time is why we are here not your constant spoiled brat complaining.